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I don't understand why "Star Wars: Revelations" is considered "fanon" when it could be perfectly "canon". My reasons: the history assembles with the movies history, it explains the Jedi's purge and because Darth Vader was the only one Jedi in the galaxy, and details like Seers contributs better the Star Wars universe. What has it mistakes or anachronisms? The movies too contains anachronisms:
Episode VI: Leia talks about her mother: "She died when I was very young...She was... very beautiful. Kind, but sad"...OK, let's go "Episode III": Amidala dies in the childbirth. Perharps Leia has pre-natal remembers??
Episode IV: Obi-Wan talks about Vader: "A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi knights. He betrayed and murdered your father"...OK, let's go Episode III again: the Emperor commands clone troopers activate 66 order and troopers kill Jedis. Wasn't Vader who had killed all Jedis?
And the most important anachronism: technology. In episodes I, II and III the ships are more advanced than episodes IV, V and VI, and that's impossible. Progress just moves in one direction: forward. Technology can't goes backward.
To finish it, I'll tell something about "Star Wars: Revelations" anachronisms:
Darth Vader and holocron's obsession: at the end of the movie Vader obtains holocron. Therefore obtained objective and for that reason later Vader focus with looking for Rebel Base.
R2D2 in Coruscant: how know we that is R2D2?. It's a droid, yes, but it can be any other R2 droid. Are saying we can't exist two equal droids?. Federation Robot Army wouldn't say the same.
Survivors Jedis: as Declan says "If they don't know that they exist, they can't kill them". In addition, in Dark Empire appears Vima, other Jedi survivor. The Empire could kill all Jedis they found, not all Jedis that existed.
Corellia and the giant gas planet: anytime said it explicity that Corellia hasn't a giant gas planet near of it? If it don't said, it could be factible. In addition, it would be a nearby planet (like Mars and Earth, by example).
Jedi temple destruction: ONLY in the 2004 version the Jedi Temple still exists. In the 1997 version it isn't (and in the original movie either), assembling with "SW: Revelations".
The soldier's armor could modify during the movie, pasing Clone Troopers to Stormtroopers.
About starships: if my memory don't fail, these ships appears at the end of the movie, assembling with the episode IV. By this way, it's factible that the starships appear.
Seeing it, don't you think that "Star Wars: Revelations" can be canonical pertectly? Chockys
By those reasons, a lot of things could be considered canon. Heck, my fanon character should be canon using that logic. I'm not trying to hard on you, but it's a fan-film. Only those people licensced by Lucasfilm (or Chee or Lucas obviously) can create canon material. Our opinions don't matter. Chack JadsonTalk 15:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Only works officially licensed by LFL can be canon. Revelations is an unofficial fanfilm which has nothing to do with LFL, so it cannot be canon. It may be "canon-compatible", in that what's shown in it doesn't explicitly contradict canon - but it doesn't make it canon itself. - Sikon 15:36, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Look, we're not trying to make a value judgement here. I sincerely respect fanfilm makers; they have courage and drive. But just because something contains Star Wars elements doesn't make it canon, any more than if I were to magic-marker a TIE fighter on my ass and dance around naked on YouTube. Gonk(Gonk!) 15:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Wasn't Vader who had killed all Jedis? Have you watched episode III? Who goes and butchers the Jedi in the Temple? Vader. In Purge, Vader kills about six Jedi. Same in Dark Lord. Also, there is no such thing as a fan-film that does not contradict canon. In canon, there are no Jedi Seers, therefore, Revelations contradicts canon. -- dmirableAckbar(It's A Trap!) 15:49, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
But, to be clear, that's not why it isn't canon. Gonk(Gonk!) 16:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I saw episode III and it's true, Anakin kills all jedis in Coruscant's temple, but not all jedis in the galaxy as others movies say...I hope you know excuse me, only I try to understand it. The movie is good, very very good, and it doesn't enter in my head that only by to be done by fans it cannot "official", "canon" or as you want say it. LFL didn't made it, in agreement...SO WHAT? It wouldn't be obligatory to label Star Wars: Revelations like "no-official" just by this reason. I accept that the fan-works must review carefully to verify their authenticity level with the official history, I accept it, but in this case concretely I not see objections for it be canon. It would be. Always I will defend Revelations. It deserves it. At least, it's my opinion. Hopefully Lucas thought the same. - Chockys 00:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I understand what you are saying, but by that logic any fanon that fits in with canon would be considered official. Chockys>> If I showed you a story I'd written about Yoda as a child, which didn't contradict any canon, would you consider it official? I doubt it. Just because it's an expensive and (supposedly) well-done fan movie doesn't mean it is canon. -- dmirableAckbar(It's A Trap!) 22:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Maybe. Maybe I would considerer it official. An easy example: I'm George Lucas and you come with this history about Yoda. I review it. If I see the history is so good, respecting the character and explaining some details about him (not all), why not would I canonical your history?? Including later I would improve it adding other details to reinforce it (with your permission or working together in it). The one thing I never would do is reject automatically your history just because "it hasn't been my idea", and I think that the same thing happens with Star Wars: Revelations. Like it wasn't a LFL idea, it be labeled like "fanon" (when it would be "canon"). It's unjust, that simple. One more time, it's my opinion. - Chockys 01:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
"Official" means official. By definition, something not made under LFL's license cannot be official. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with quality or how well it fits in canon anything else. And if it isn't official, it can't be canon. Again, part of the definition. Even people who have written official works for Star Wars, if they write a Star Wars story on their own it's no more official or canon than anything by you or me. - Lord Hydronium 23:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
As if that weren't enough, the film really isn't that good. Sure the production values may be high, and it may have been pricey for a fan film, but in general the story and acting were crap. C'mon bunky, let's get over this fan film fixation and start contributing toward some real stuff that's actually canon. ;-)--Goodwood 06:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't say that Star Wars: Revelations be perfect, Goodwood, nor I don't try it. The Star Wars movies either are perfect. I agree with you in one term: the acting is horrible, history don't. In addition, the new element, Seers, is very interesting, and it could occupy some histories (comic or novel books) about it. Let's see, I'm the first one to say it: Star Wars: Revelations don't is perfect. Like movies, it has fails. Even so, it deserves the "canon" signature. I think it at 100%. Totally I'm convinced, enough to write George Lucas asking for him to canonize it and try to convince other people for they do the same than me :) - Chockys 02:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I strongly encourage you to do just that. Gonk(Gonk!) 00:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Gonk just edit-conflicted my somewhat negative statement, but in light of Gonk's encouragement, I'll second that statement. -- dmirableAckbar(It's A Trap!) 01:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Perfect! I have Skywalker Ranch's postal address...I'm determined to everything in this subject. Not only the SW: Revelations' canonicity is at stake, also my Star Wars' personal project (which is very important for me, reason for which and by prudence I will keep it in secret). If somebody want to do the same and help me with Revelations I'll pass you the Skywalker postal address...BUT BEWARE!! I just will give this information for Star Wars: Revelations subject, no more! To contact to me, look my profile. Anybody wants to see Star Wars: Revelations made it canonical?? - Chockys 04:15, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, one detail I forgotten about anachronisms (well, more than anachronism is a big blooper). In two words: midi-chlorians. In Episode IV, Obi-Wan explains Luke that the Force is an "energy field created by all living things". In Episode I, Qui-Gon Jinn says Obi-Wan "I need a midi-chlorian count" behind to obtain the Anakin's blood. Later Qui-Gon says "Midi-chlorians are a microcopic lifeform that reside within all living cells and communicates with the Force". WHAT THE!? Wait a minute: wasn't the Force an energy field? From where midi-chlorians appears? I think that it was a great blooper as big as cathedral, and you? - Chockys 03:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't mean to offend you Chockys, but...George Lucas and LFL are just as likely to make Revelations canon as they are this. So don't get your hopes up.-- dmirableAckbar(It's A Trap!) 01:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Haahahahahahaa...it's very funny friend, "Darth Binks" (what so terrible idea). Anyway, I'll tell something: you wrong. Very much wrong: I don't need hope. Just need obstinacy and determination, no more. Hope for dreamers, determination for fighters. If for what Star Wars: Revelations be canonical I must send a letter to George Lucas which travels along 5,000 miles aprox. (from Spain to California), I will do it. Nobody can't stop me because I like it. "SW Relevations" is a right cause to fight, don't you? - Chockys 05:33, 21 August 2007 (UTC) (PD: Don't worry. You don't offend me)
Are, you, are, I, what, I, must, do, for, to, be, to, the, table, does, the, a, do, too, do, is, the, is, the, be, I, do, to, the, be. Chockys, insert these words where applicable. Use as many as you need. Thefourdotelipsis 06:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Your chances of "success" are 0%. But hey, don't let me dissuade you. Personally, I'd sooner see Pink Five become canon. QuentinGeorge 06:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Good luck... you're gonna need it. KEJ 12:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Chockys, you remind me of this guy a couple of months ago who thought he could write a Star Wars book and it would just become canon. Anyway, don't let your feelings get hurt when LFL laughs you out of the building. Chack JadsonTalk 13:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Ok, let's go by parts: Thefourdotelipsis, I'm sorry so, but as you see, my english don't is all perfect that it should be. I'm trying to improve it; QuentinGeorge, I will not allow nobody dissuade me. The exit don't happens being good in your job, the exit happens by to insist until you obtain what you wants; KEJ, thanks by your encourage. You have reason, I need it; and for you Chack JadsonTalk, I tell two things: 1st, what's the name of this guy? And 2nd, "laughs better who laughs the last". I will not surrender me. Nobody wins to me being bull-headed ("cabezón" in Spanish translation). I shouldn't stop to try it. At least, I will know that I have made an big effort to obtain it. Chockys 16:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Ah...let's just say that you're lucky Redemption hasn't shown up here yet. Firebird 14:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Redemption is just another user. Don't worry about it. Hasta Revelaciones es declarado “canonical” oficialmente por Lucasfilm, no podemos poner la información de Revelaciones en Wookieepedia. Lo siento, pero no deba escribir mucho en eso foro. Tambièn, lo siento por mi mal español. Translation: Until Revelations is declared officially canon by Lucasfilm, we can't put information from it on Wookieepedia. Sorry, but you shouldn't write any more on this forum. Apologies for my bad Spanish. Atarumaster88(Talk page) 19:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, you don't worry for you bad spanish Atarumaster88(Talk page), I see englishmen talking it worse than you. You talk so bad spanish like me english hahahaha. Jokes appart, if I understand it, I cannot create articles about Revelations until that it be considered like canonical. If I understand good it too, SW: Revelations not is canonical...by now. That is what somebody in somewhere is reviewing Revelations to decide or to verify if it can be canonical, isn't it? Chockys 02:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
As an entirely unofficial fan work, it will never be canon. That's all there is to it. —Silly Dan(talk) 00:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Never say "never". Time puts everything in its place. If SW: Revelations will be canon, then someday it will be, and if I can help that it happens a little time before, so I will do it. For to try it nothing lose, and much I can win. As I say a few days before, it deserves it. Chockys 17:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)