Hello admins, I'm fairly new at Wookieepedia, so as a warning, I apologize in advance if this is an improper channel for this type of query. I suggested that the article Star Dreadnought be renamed "Star Dreadnaught", and that to be its preferred spelling, because that is how it is spelled in the Attack of the Clones: Incredible Cross Sections, Revenge of the Sith: Incredible Cross Sections, and Starships of the Galaxy (2007). In addition, the Manual of Style mandates the usage of American English or "more American" spelling when the word has two acceptable variants. "Dreadnaught" is "more American" based on the word "naught" being the American variation of "nought". In any case, I brought this up, but no consensus can be reached. I don't feel that any true argument has been made in favor of keeping "Star Dreadnought" as the title and primary spelling, and I don't seem to have persuaded Grand Moff Tranner, whom is the person advocating that "Star Dreadnought" be kept. Therefore, I'm requesting mediation, or some other way of solving the issue since I don't think we'll ever come to terms without a third party. Thanks in advance. Starkar Mace 18:33, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

  • For the record, the Databank uses "Star Dreadnought" here: [1]. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 18:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Here are my findings:
    1. Star Dreadnought
    2. Star Dreadnaught
    3. Dreadnought
    4. Dreadnaught
    • This from Leland Chee, the "maker" of canon: "Both are accepted spellings in the English language, just like "grey" is an acceptable variant of "gray". It just happens that we use the "dreadnaught" spelling."[2] I think that about sums it up. —Xwing328(Talk) 04:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
      • So I suppose that resolves this? I was going to attempt to move the page to Star Dreadnaught, but it seems the page is protected from editing? Starkar Mace 07:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
        • Yes it does. If both spellings are acceptable, leave it as is. Darth Xadún(Consult the Holocron) 07:42, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
          • Chee said that they used "dreadnaught", not that both were acceptable. The thread it's in is about spelling discrepancies and which spelling is correct. Starkar Mace 07:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
    • For the tally, it should be noted that "Dreadnought" is also used in Star Wars: Complete Locations. jSarek 10:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
      • If "Dreadnought" is used in Databank, that is obviously the correct spelling. Does this Leland Chee guy realize that "Dreadnought" is used in the Databank? Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 21:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
        • The Databank is no more or less authoritative than any other C-canon source; it's been wrong before, and nothing prevents it from being wrong again. However, since I think Leland Chee's comment may be more aimed at the Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser (which IS always spelled with an "a") than the Star Dreadnought (which, as we have seen, is not completely consistent), I'm not sure we should be taking it at face value here. jSarek 21:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
          • The thread was concerning spelling discrepancies in general, so it was my impression that "dreadnaught" is the universal canonical spelling in all situations, just as lightsaber is the universal spelling. It was also posted after "Star Dreadnaught" was used in the Attack of the Clones: Incredible Cross-Sections. And honestly, even if that's true, "Star Dreadnaught" and "Dreadnaught" is used much more frequently than "Dreadnought" and "Star Dreadnought" in the canon. I don't understand the resistance to changing to reflect this, unless it's regional preference, which isn't a good argument since the Manual of Style mandates American English. The only other reason I can think of for Wookieepedia's overall predisposition toward using "dreadnought" is because that is the spelling used on the Star Wars Technical Commentaries, because as the list of sources using each spelling show, "Dreadnaught" should be the more frequent spelling used. But instead, we have pages like Black Hole-class salvage dreadnought which use the "dreadnought" spelling, and only have one source: Scavenger Hunt, and in that source it's spelled "dreadnaught". It just seems a tad absurd to me that "dreadnought" is used even when the sole canon source for the article spells it "dreadnaught". If the reason why "Dreadnought" is used so frequently is regional preference, that's in contradiction of the Manual of Style, and if it's used so frequently because of Star Wars Technical Commentaries, well, that's not a canon source. Starkar Mace 21:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
          • I apologize for my little diatribe. I'm just a tad frustrated that Leland Chee has stated that "dreadnaught" is the spelling the holocron uses, but for those with the opposing viewpoint there's a sliver of doubt based on the context of what he was saying. I don't know what further sources I can provide to support my stance, and I feel almost like the burden of proof is on me to show that "dreadnought" is wrong, when from my perspective it seems like "dreadnought" is a foregone conclusion that is granted the benefit of the doubt. The only reason I brought up the spelling situation is because I thought "dreadnaught" is the correct spelling just like "lightsaber", based on what at the time I saw as three sources that used "dreadnaught", and none that used "dreadnought". Well, now we see both are used, but still "dreadnaught" is used much more frequently, and Leland Chee is on record saying it's the canonical spelling. I don't know what else I can say, so I won't belabor the point anymore. Starkar Mace 22:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
            • First off, I wish to apologize, Starkar Mace. A week ago, I found out that a classmate of mine comitted suicide, and I was upset over it. Anyway, I know that American English is used here, but I was always under the impression that "Dreadnought" was the proper spelling. I was so conviced that that was the proper spelling that I just disregarded all the evidence you provided to support the "Dreadnaught" spelling. But I thought that if the Databank used "Dreadnought," then that was correct. If "Star Dreadnaught" is the correct spelling, then I suppose I really can't do anything to change it. Perhaps Mr. Chee can fix the spelling in the Databank to avoid any further confusion. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 23:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
              • No need to apologize, and I am sorry to hear about your classmate. I was just a little frustrated by this, and I shouldn't have been because it's not something worth getting frustrated over. And I can understand the preference and confusion about the spelling, and I don't think it's something that really matters in regular speech (people still use lightsabre in this manner, after all), I just thought it would be more appropriate for the "dreadnaught" spelling to be used on Wookieepedia, and invested myself too much in that since it was my first attempt at a contribution to Wookieepedia. The "Star Dreadnought" page is protected, so I'm not able to make the change. I am not sure how to go about this, does an admin have to make the change, or unprotect the page? Starkar Mace 23:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
                • I suppose an administrator would have to move the page, unless they unprotect it. I don't know why the page was locked in the first place; maybe it's the result of some ongoing issue I'm not aware of. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research (Comlink) 00:03, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
                  • Dreadnought is not protected, so I will go ahead and move that to Dreadnaught. I already fixed the Black Hole-class salvage dreadnaught. Starkar Mace 01:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
                  • I'm not sure how to move a page to one of its redirects, so perhaps someone could show me how or do it themselves? Starkar Mace 01:52, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
                    • You can have an admin delete the redirect, thus allowing a page move (which is preferred), or copy the article's contents and paste it at the new location, leaving an appropriate edit summary to explain it. I've taken care of moving this one. Hopefully there aren't any more complaints about it. —Xwing328(Talk) 05:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
                      • I would edit the article to reflect the name change but it's still locked. Starkar Mace 06:07, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
                      • Oh, and I forgot to say thanks for the help. Starkar Mace 06:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
                        • You're welcome. It's not locked for registered users. As long as you are logged in, you should be able to edit it (you just can't move it because that is still admin only on this page). —Xwing328(Talk) 15:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

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