This page is an archive of a community-wide discussion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made in the Senate Hall or new Consensus Track pages rather than here so that this page is preserved as a historic record. The result of the debate was Support both proposals. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:54, August 25, 2015 (UTC)
Hi everyone. This CT has two parts, dealing with proposals to amend the notability policy to include notability requirements for future and canceled products.
The first vote is in regards to future products. Recently, there has been a proliferation of articles for future products that are simply scraped from marketplace listings that say very little about the product. We have no guarantee that what goes up on listing sites is in any way official or accurate. Additionally, many of these end up being canceled, assuming they were ever even going to be released in the first place. For example, a number of "Untitled Star Wars Rebels chapter book" and "Star Wars Rebels Screen Cap Graphic Novel" listings were used to create articles, but those products were canceled. The first vote aims to rectify that by ensuring that articles can only be created for future products if they have been given an official title, the idea being that an official title significantly increases the likelihood that the product will actually be released. The obvious exception is films and television series, since we can be reasonably confident those will be released once announced.
The second vote is in regards to products that have been canceled, and ensuring that we only have articles about canceled products if those products were officially announced at some point. This is much more straight forward, so I won't spend as much time explaining it.
Proposed amendment to Wookieepedia:Notability policy: "With the exception of films and television series, articles about future Star Wars products may only be created once an official title has been provided for said product. Title confirmation must come via either an official source, such as Lucasfilm or a publisher, or from mainstream media sources. Internet marketplaces and listing sites, such as Amazon.com and Edelweiss, may only be used as independent confirmation of a future product if the listing specifies an official title."
What about future/cancelled products without an official title, but spoiled/teased/whatever by a senior dev, such as a writer/director/producer etc? Manoof (talk) 04:14, August 18, 2015 (UTC)
For future products, I would consider that to fall under confirmation from a publisher. For cancelled projects, odds are that's coming from some sort of media source, like the Battle of the Sith Lords example that is provided in the proposed text. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 04:19, August 18, 2015 (UTC)
Yep, didn't read far enough xD Manoof (talk) 04:40, August 18, 2015 (UTC)
It was mentioned that untitled films and television series would be the exception to this policy. Should video games be an exception as well? For example, the project at Visceral Games has been quite publicly announced by Electronic Arts, and updates about its development are being reported almost as frequently as some of Lucasfilm's upcoming films. At the very least, I think it would be a good idea to have larger games, such as the ones coming out of EA as exceptions. Mobile apps and browser games could get problematic, with pages like "Untitled Disney Interactive browser game" popping up if we take exception to all video games. --Dentface (talk) 00:09, August 20, 2015 (UTC)
Proposed amendment to Wookieepedia:Notability policy: "Canceled products may only receive articles if they are confirmed through official sources, such as Lucasfilm or authorial comments, or through mainstream media (example: Battle of the Sith Lords). Internet marketplace and listing sites, such as Amazon.com and Edelweiss, may not be used as independent confirmation of canceled products."