This page is an archive of a community-wide discussion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made in the Senate Hall or new Consensus Track pages rather than here so that this page is preserved as a historic record. The result of the debate was No consensus. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:09, July 15, 2017 (UTC)
While discussing in the Senate Hall this topic, I found that some users share the same idea that the old promo pictures likes the one used in Lexi Dio and Breha Organa/Legends articles should be allowed to be used in the canon article. The images come from an old Legends book, but the promotional pictures are taken especially for the movie. The new canon already confirmed name and the outfit. In the senate hall I found intersting this phrase by Brandon Rhea "Canon and Legends are terms that apply to stories. Promotional photos of movie characters do not qualify for that distinction. Therefore they should be used in either article." and its true. So I want to propose a change to that policy and that promotional pictures should be used in either article and improve the quality of articles--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 17:54, June 20, 2017 (UTC)
UPDATE: Here's a  Tweet from Leland and its more than obvious that LF/Story Group still sees as an official image from the character.
1.-Policy: Movie promotional photos can be used in canon articles, only if the canon source (book or movie) has confirmed the name and outfit of the character. Example: Lexi Dio image can be used in the canon article Lexi Dio because the canon source share the same outfit in the image, but Salporin image can't be used in the canon article Salporin/Canon because the source only identifies the armored Wookiee as Salporin, Zett Jukassa/Legends image can be used in Zett Jukassa article because the movie shows us the outfit that he has.
2.-Policy: Movie promotional photos can be used in canon articles if a canon source has confirmed the name of the character.
I'm in favor of respecting what Lucasfilm and the Story Group deem appropriate for official release in post-Legends source material. Maybe there's a reason they don't want to use a certain promo image, for example. Who knows? Let them tell/show us what we can and should be using in our Canon articles rather than pushing the envelope and making up our own usage rules. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:25, June 24, 2017 (UTC)
A look at the tweets from Leland shows he thinks it's very unnecessary for us to not be using these images. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 12:40, June 29, 2017 (UTC)
Per Brandon. I feel like the clarification really sorted this out. To those who are still objecting, would you be willing to explain more of your thoughts in the comments so we can maybe try to ease some of those concerns? ProfessorTofty (talk) 14:55, June 29, 2017 (UTC)
Right now the only thing in this CT is an idea. There needs to be an actual policy proposal, including what policy it would go in, so people know what precisely they're voting on. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 17:55, June 20, 2017 (UTC)
Policy would be that if a canon source confirms the character name and outfit it would be ok to use an old promo picture to represent that character, only if the old promo picture uses a similar picture (Example. Lexi Dio and Lexi Dio) I'm not sure how to write the policy sorry--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 18:41, June 20, 2017 (UTC)
Added policy at the beginning. I think that's alright--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 20:02, June 20, 2017 (UTC)
I don't really agree with the wording here. It seems needlessly nitpicky over wether or not an image perfectly matches what's seen on scree. A promo is a promo, so by that reasoning, it should apply to Legends subjects as well. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 05:37, June 21, 2017 (UTC)
So if the promo is for a certain character doesn't matter if it seen on screen or not, if a canon source reveals the name the promo picture can be used in both canon and legends article?--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 05:40, June 21, 2017 (UTC)
While an image that matches what is seen on screen is preferable, it's sometimes not possible. Promo images aren't really canon or Legends. AV-6R7Crew Pit 05:58, June 21, 2017 (UTC)
I agree on that for example the Breha/Lexi case that we have a promo picture of the same person seen in the movie, those should be used in the canon article. I'm not that good redacting but what I'm trying to say is that if the image from a source matches with a previous promo picture it should be ok to use it--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 06:05, June 21, 2017 (UTC)
I agree with this assessment. I think that it should be canonicity of a promotional image should be determined by the film that it is from. Thus in cases like Breha and Lexi promotional images should be allowed. A tweet from Pablo Hidalgo leaned towards this assessment so I believe that this stance should become the policy.--Benjay2345 (talk) 04:26, June 22, 2017 (UTC)
The assesment that you say is one of the options at the beginning or it a comment here??--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 04:32, June 22, 2017 (UTC)
You should add a second vote for policy V2. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:48, June 24, 2017 (UTC)
Could you remove "(book or movie)" from the second option? It doesn't seem necessary and doesn't acknowledge other mediums (I.e., video games, etc.). - AV-6R7Crew Pit 17:58, June 24, 2017 (UTC)
Here's a tweet from Pablo and confirms that is the same person for Lexi Dio case and that the photoshoots are made for the movie, [Ex. Lexi Dio or Breha] ,
There's no secret conspiracy of why they choose a photo . Example Breha Organa photo is  used in Star Wars: The Visual Encyclopedia is the same outfit seen in the movie and from the  same movie promo picture series like the one used in Legends, but in the TVE they used a picture were we can see the full dress because the section is for royal outfits, but its the same person it doesn't modify what its canon, a picture especially a posed/promo picture doesn't represent a story and especially if its the same person/outfit/name that we saw in the movie--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 01:07, June 26, 2017 (UTC)
And we make some rules, like using Official pix (that uses the same pictures from movie promotionals) that its not longer licensed and the catalogue is no longer available to see if it really comes from there--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 01:12, June 26, 2017 (UTC)
Here's a  Tweet from Leland and its more than obvious that LF/Story Group still sees those images as an official image of the character. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 06:28, June 26, 2017 (UTC)
To everyone saying that supports Tope comment, We DO make rules. We use Official Pix pictures that is Not longer licensed and theres not a catalogue to see if those images come from there, we create articles with a tweet that says Is good to assume that planets , weapons, ships have the same model. So if we can create articles with a tweet what makes so different this one. Leland already said he thinks it's very unnecessary not be using these images since they're still official images of that character, even new sources/movie we can see the same picture with different posture. There's no "reason they don't want to use a certain promo image" its just because which is more qualified to be in the book. If the book section talks about Dresses you can't use a pic from the face of the actor/actress you need the full body. I think that after Leland's tweet its pretty much clearer that those images should be ok to use.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 03:37, July 5, 2017 (UTC)