This page is an archive of a community-wide discussion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made in the Senate Hall or new Consensus Track pages rather than here so that this page is preserved as a historic record. The result of the debate was Vote 1: Support proposal to modernize the notability policy for fan projects, Vote 2: Redirect non-notable official friends to the Official Friends page. Exiled Jedi(Greetings) 23:14, December 18, 2014 (UTC)
Wookieepedia's current Notability of fan projects has long been decried for not being restrictive enough. In its original CT, I and others called it something that was better than nothing, but the intention was always to improve it, and I feel the time has come.
I hereby propose a new and more restrictive policy regarding what kinds of fan-related articles are permitted on Wookieepedia. I've basically tightened the requirements to place all the emphasis on two main categories for demonstrating notability: Official Lucasfilm recognition and Mainstream media recognition. The policy also restricts fan films, which, in case you haven't noticed, is a universal trend on Wookieepedia. In 2012, we purged Wookieepedia of all fan films. The idea is that the Star Wars Fanpedia exists for a reason. It's one of our Official Friends, and it's well maintained by Brandon Rhea, so it's a resource we should be utilizing more. But perhaps the most important change/clarification in this policy is a greater emphasis on community autonomy in allowing us to determine what types of fan articles we want to exist here. Even if something does meet these notability requirements, we still have the power as a community to delete it if we feel it doesn't belong here. In other words, it allows us greater freedom to decide things on a case-by-case basis rather than being shackled by an imperfect policy.
In a second vote below, I present a vote to determine how to handle Official Friends of Wookieepedia. I've heard it suggested previously that Official Friends have articles by simple virtue of being Official Friends regardless of notability. The flip side to that argument is that we have the aforementioned Official Friends page, where these websites/groups are listed, and anything that doesn't have an article can be redirected and presented there. (We can always update/expand/improve that page, by the way.) Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:17, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
The downside to this proposed policy is that people will no longer be able to vote in protest of the policy in a TC discussion. :P —MJ—Council Chambers 21:29, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
Best possible thing to do would be to make NFP read, in its entirety, "there's a Fanpedia now. Go away." But barring that, this is the best alternative. -- Darth Culator(Talk) 21:34, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
YES! The policy itself looks good, the only thing I'd change is completely removing the second point under additional notes, the fanpedia is already mentioned 3 times in an adequate manner and the application for fansites/organisations is also under the fan sites/organisations section. Manoof (talk) 10:10, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
jSarek brings up a good point below, though. JorrelFraajic 03:59, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I know I've long been a proponent of being more inclusive of fan topics, to cover everything Star Wars related here. But the writing on the wall regarding the future of fan projects here has been, well, written on the wall for years now. So this makes me wonder: with the site's direction clearly veering away from coverage of non-official Star Wars content of any sort, is there any reason not to follow Culator's suggestion (worded a bit more eloquently, of course) and just remove ALL fan topics from Wookieepedia and hand them off to Fanpedia? jSarek (talk) 05:56, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
The second case is moot, since we already have longstanding precedent for keeping articles on sources of Star Wars continuity that would otherwise not be notable (e.g. we have an article on Tracy Duncan because of her role in inspiring Dunc T'racen, not for her key role at Club Jade; and our article on Thomas J. Spanos exists because of his costuming's influence on artists like Jan Duursema and Joe Corroney, not for his role in the 501st Legion). The first case is a reasonable concern, though, even though interwiki links are a pretty straightforward affair. jSarek (talk) 09:54, December 15, 2014 (UTC)
Is this policy retroactive? For example, the policy states "People or persons recognized as being responsible for creating a Star Wars fan site or organization" which I'm pretty sure would exclude SuperShadow, which was kept with another vote of "no consensus." Also, will stuff simply be zapped, or will there be a process for it to be moved to the Star Wars Fans Wiki if belongs there, likewe have with the Merchandise Wiki? ProfessorTofty (talk) 20:48, December 15, 2014 (UTC)
This CT alone will not independently delete any articles. I imagine there will be a series of TCs forthcoming in this decision's aftermath. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:18, December 15, 2014 (UTC)
This vote is to determine whether existing Official Friends of Wookieepedia should have articles by virtue of being Official Friends regardless of notability. Vote Support if you believe all Official Friends should have articles regardless of notability; Vote Oppose if you believe non-notable Official Friends should simply be redirected to the Official Friends page. If Vote 1 passes, a minor clause may be added to that new policy page depending on the turnout of Vote 2 here.