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This page is an archive of a community-wide discussion. '''This page is no longer live.''' Further comments should be made in the [[Forum:Senate Hall|Senate Hall]] or new [[Forum:Consensus track|Consensus Track]] pages rather than here so that this page is preserved as a historic record. <br />The result of the debate was '''a horrible mess from which no consensus can emerge'''. Feel free, however, to restart the discussion taking the arguments presented here into account. - [[User:Sikon|Sikon]] 07:45, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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I've noticed the practice of including non-canon information in articles with the noncanon tags (as in the inclusion of information from Infinites in [[Boba Fett]]). However, I'm really not comfortable with including noncanon information in the main article. I therefore propose that a new section be added for articles with noncanon information. It could be placed between the main article and the behind the scenes section. We could call it <nowiki>==Noncanon==</nowiki> or some such. This would keep it out of the canonical information but keep it in the article. I think this would be a cleaner, more professional, and more sensible solution. [[User:Havac|Havac]] 21:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 
I've noticed the practice of including non-canon information in articles with the noncanon tags (as in the inclusion of information from Infinites in [[Boba Fett]]). However, I'm really not comfortable with including noncanon information in the main article. I therefore propose that a new section be added for articles with noncanon information. It could be placed between the main article and the behind the scenes section. We could call it <nowiki>==Noncanon==</nowiki> or some such. This would keep it out of the canonical information but keep it in the article. I think this would be a cleaner, more professional, and more sensible solution. [[User:Havac|Havac]] 21:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
   
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#:<strike>Yup, needs to be done. Non-canon info disrupts the flow of a bio. (Rhymes!) [[User:Thefourdotelipsis|<span style="color: yellow; background:black">.</span>]][[User talk:Thefourdotelipsis|<span style="color: yellow; background:black">.</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Thefourdotelipsis|<span style="color: yellow; background:black">.</span>]][[User:Thefourdotelipsis|<span style="color: yellow; background:black">.</span>]] 02:00, 15 October 2006 (UTC)</strike>
 
#:<strike>Yup, needs to be done. Non-canon info disrupts the flow of a bio. (Rhymes!) [[User:Thefourdotelipsis|<span style="color: yellow; background:black">.</span>]][[User talk:Thefourdotelipsis|<span style="color: yellow; background:black">.</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Thefourdotelipsis|<span style="color: yellow; background:black">.</span>]][[User:Thefourdotelipsis|<span style="color: yellow; background:black">.</span>]] 02:00, 15 October 2006 (UTC)</strike>
 
#:<s>[[User:Green tentacle|Green Tentacle]] <sup>([[User talk:Green tentacle|Talk]])</sup> 09:36, 16 October 2006 (UTC)</s>
 
#:<s>[[User:Green tentacle|Green Tentacle]] <sup>([[User talk:Green tentacle|Talk]])</sup> 09:36, 16 October 2006 (UTC)</s>
#:<strike>[[User:Angel Blue|<b><span style="color:darkcyan">Angel Blue</span></b>]][[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]<sup>[[User talk:Angel Blue|<span style="color:darkgreen">(Holonet)</span>]]</sup></strike>
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#:<strike>[[User:Angel Blue|<b><span style="color:darkcyan">Angel Blue</span></b>]][[File:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]]<sup>[[User talk:Angel Blue|<span style="color:darkgreen">(Holonet)</span>]]</sup></strike>
#:<s>The idea of putting info into an article only to say, "Oh BTW, ignore that" has always vexed me. [[User:Atarumaster88|<span style="color:darkgreen;">'''Atarumaster88'''</span>]] [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] <sup>([[User talk:Atarumaster88|<span style="color:seagreen;">Audience Chamber</span>]])</sup> 19:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)</s>
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#:<s>The idea of putting info into an article only to say, "Oh BTW, ignore that" has always vexed me. [[User:Atarumaster88|<span style="color:darkgreen;">'''Atarumaster88'''</span>]] [[File:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] <sup>([[User talk:Atarumaster88|<span style="color:seagreen;">Audience Chamber</span>]])</sup> 19:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)</s>
#[[User:Jaina Solo|<span style="color:MediumSlateblue;">'''Jaina Solo'''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Jaina Solo|<span style="color:Slateblue;">Goddess Stuff</span>]])</sup> [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg |25px]] 19:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
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#[[User:Jaina Solo|<span style="color:MediumSlateblue;">'''Jaina Solo'''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Jaina Solo|<span style="color:Slateblue;">Goddess Stuff</span>]])</sup> [[File:Jaina_sig.jpg |25px]] 19:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 
#[[User:Ozzel|Ozzel]] 23:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 
#[[User:Ozzel|Ozzel]] 23:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Angel Blue|<b><span style="color:darkcyan">Angel Blue</span></b>]][[Image:Holocron negwt.jpg|20px]]<sup>[[User talk:Angel Blue|<span style="color:darkgreen">(Holonet)</span>]]</sup> 23:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
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#[[User:Angel Blue|<b><span style="color:darkcyan">Angel Blue</span></b>]][[File:Holocron negwt.jpg|20px]]<sup>[[User talk:Angel Blue|<span style="color:darkgreen">(Holonet)</span>]]</sup> 23:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 
#[[User:Kaiburr Adaejan|Kaiburr Adaejan]] 01:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 
#[[User:Kaiburr Adaejan|Kaiburr Adaejan]] 01:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 
#[[User:000|Trip]] 07:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC) - Ambiguous or otherwise, anything not explicitly canon doesn't belong in the main text.
 
#[[User:000|Trip]] 07:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC) - Ambiguous or otherwise, anything not explicitly canon doesn't belong in the main text.
 
#:<s>I went back and forth on this for awhile. I agree with Atarumaster88. [[User:Xwing328|<span style="font-weight: bold; color:#328328">—Xwing328</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Xwing328|Talk]])</sup> 17:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)</s>
 
#:<s>I went back and forth on this for awhile. I agree with Atarumaster88. [[User:Xwing328|<span style="font-weight: bold; color:#328328">—Xwing328</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Xwing328|Talk]])</sup> 17:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)</s>
#[[User:Yoshi626|<b><span style="color:green">Yoshi</span></b>]][[User talk:Yoshi626|<b><span style="color:black">626</span></b>]][[Image:Yoshiegg.jpg|20px]] 03:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
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#[[User:Yoshi626|<b><span style="color:green">Yoshi</span></b>]][[User talk:Yoshi626|<b><span style="color:black">626</span></b>]][[File:Yoshiegg.jpg|20px]] 03:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#'''Support'''. Nearly all current "ambig" is genuinely noncanon anyway. [[User:JSarek|jSarek]] 09:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#'''Support'''. Nearly all current "ambig" is genuinely noncanon anyway. [[User:JSarek|jSarek]] 09:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#'''Support''' [[User:VT-16|VT-16]] 10:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#'''Support''' [[User:VT-16|VT-16]] 10:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
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#Except when the information is Infinities and obviously contradicts with established canon. The only stuff that ''should'' be included is information from cut material, and non-contradicting elements of stories that have been branded non-canon (eg. the [[Darth Maul]] stuff both on his own page and on [[Obi-Wan Kenobi]]'s. Star Wars: Infinities material should ''not'' be included. &mdash;[[User:Jaymach|Jaymach Ral'Tir]] <small>([[User talk:Jaymach|talk]])</small> 23:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 
#Except when the information is Infinities and obviously contradicts with established canon. The only stuff that ''should'' be included is information from cut material, and non-contradicting elements of stories that have been branded non-canon (eg. the [[Darth Maul]] stuff both on his own page and on [[Obi-Wan Kenobi]]'s. Star Wars: Infinities material should ''not'' be included. &mdash;[[User:Jaymach|Jaymach Ral'Tir]] <small>([[User talk:Jaymach|talk]])</small> 23:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 
#:<s>I like the current tagging. Surrounding cannon material provides a background for it. -[[User:Finlayson|Fnlayson]] 17:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)</s>
 
#:<s>I like the current tagging. Surrounding cannon material provides a background for it. -[[User:Finlayson|Fnlayson]] 17:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)</s>
#I'd rather we leave it as is.--'''[[User:Darth Oblivion|<span style="color: black">Lord Oblivion</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Darth Oblivion|<span style="color: red">Sith holocron</span>]]</sup>[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]]''' 19:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
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#I'd rather we leave it as is.--'''[[User:Darth Oblivion|<span style="color: black">Lord Oblivion</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Darth Oblivion|<span style="color: red">Sith holocron</span>]]</sup>[[File:Sith_Emblem.svg|30px]]''' 19:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
#No. Having a separate section heading would make the article look worse. [[User:Jack Nebulax|Grand Admiral J. Nebulax]] <sup>([[User talk:Jack Nebulax|Imperial Holovision]])</sup> [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
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#No. Having a separate section heading would make the article look worse. [[User:Jack Nebulax|Grand Admiral J. Nebulax]] <sup>([[User talk:Jack Nebulax|Imperial Holovision]])</sup> [[File:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 
#[[User:Darth_Culator|<span style="color: blue">Darth Culator</span>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Darth_Culator|Talk]])([http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=Darth_Culator Kills])</sup> 00:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#[[User:Darth_Culator|<span style="color: blue">Darth Culator</span>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Darth_Culator|Talk]])([http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=Darth_Culator Kills])</sup> 00:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#[[User:Cull Tremayne|Cull Tremayne]] 03:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC) - Changing vote since the non-canon tags are only really used on the Maul page and the Brandls where it is fairly effective. Though moving the Maul info might be better in the BTS. [[User:Cull Tremayne|Cull Tremayne]] 03:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#[[User:Cull Tremayne|Cull Tremayne]] 03:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC) - Changing vote since the non-canon tags are only really used on the Maul page and the Brandls where it is fairly effective. Though moving the Maul info might be better in the BTS. [[User:Cull Tremayne|Cull Tremayne]] 03:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
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#Per Silly Dan. [[User:Breathesgelatin|<b><span style="color: violet">- breathesgelatin</span></b>]]<sup>[[User talk:Breathesgelatin|<span style="color: green">Talk]]</span></sup> 09:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#Per Silly Dan. [[User:Breathesgelatin|<b><span style="color: violet">- breathesgelatin</span></b>]]<sup>[[User talk:Breathesgelatin|<span style="color: green">Talk]]</span></sup> 09:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#[[User:Green tentacle|Green Tentacle]] <sup>([[User talk:Green tentacle|Talk]])</sup> 14:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#[[User:Green tentacle|Green Tentacle]] <sup>([[User talk:Green tentacle|Talk]])</sup> 14:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Atarumaster88|<span style="color:darkgreen;">'''Atarumaster88'''</span>]] [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] <sup>([[User talk:Atarumaster88|<span style="color:seagreen;">Audience Chamber</span>]])</sup> 21:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
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#[[User:Atarumaster88|<span style="color:darkgreen;">'''Atarumaster88'''</span>]] [[File:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] <sup>([[User talk:Atarumaster88|<span style="color:seagreen;">Audience Chamber</span>]])</sup> 21:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#[[User:BaronGrackle|BaronGrackle]] 13:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#[[User:BaronGrackle|BaronGrackle]] 13:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#[[User:JMAS|JMAS]] 21:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#[[User:JMAS|JMAS]] 21:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#Second breathesgelatin's motion: per Silly Dan. &mdash;'''[[User:Mirlen|<font color="DB7093">Mir</font>]][[User talk:Mirlen|<font color="DB7093"><span style="cursor:help">len</span></font>]]''' 05:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 
#Second breathesgelatin's motion: per Silly Dan. &mdash;'''[[User:Mirlen|<font color="DB7093">Mir</font>]][[User talk:Mirlen|<font color="DB7093"><span style="cursor:help">len</span></font>]]''' 05:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
#Just better that way. Besides, would we include Behind the scenes in the main article?<span style="color:black">[[Special:Contributions/Vladius Magnum|---]]</span>[[User:Vladius Magnum|'''<span style="color:#66CD00">V</span><span style="color:black">ladius</span> <span style="color:#66CD00">M</span><span style="color:black">agnum</span>''']]<sup>([[User talk:Vladius Magnum|'''<span style="color:black">Clan Magnum'''</span>]])</sup>[[Image:dasymbol.gif|20px]] 22:31, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
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#Just better that way. Besides, would we include Behind the scenes in the main article?<span style="color:black">[[Special:Contributions/Vladius Magnum|---]]</span>[[User:Vladius Magnum|'''<span style="color:#66CD00">V</span><span style="color:black">ladius</span> <span style="color:#66CD00">M</span><span style="color:black">agnum</span>''']]<sup>([[User talk:Vladius Magnum|'''<span style="color:black">Clan Magnum'''</span>]])</sup>[[File:dasymbol.gif|20px]] 22:31, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
#<nowiki>~~</nowiki> <sup> [[Special:Contributions/Jorrel_Fraajic|<span style="color:black;">Commander</span>]] [[User:Jorrel_Fraajic|<span style="color:black;">Jorrel</span>]] [[Special:Watchlist/Jorrel_Fraajic|<span style="color:black;">Fraajic</span>]]</sup> [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Jorrel_Fraajic|<span style="color:black;">''Communications Relay''</span>]]</sub> <nowiki>~~</nowiki> 15:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
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#<nowiki>~~</nowiki> <sup> [[Special:Contributions/Jorrel_Fraajic|<span style="color:black;">Commander</span>]] [[User:Jorrel_Fraajic|<span style="color:black;">Jorrel</span>]] [[Special:Watchlist/Jorrel_Fraajic|<span style="color:black;">Fraajic</span>]]</sup> [[File:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Jorrel_Fraajic|<span style="color:black;">''Communications Relay''</span>]]</sub> <nowiki>~~</nowiki> 15:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 
#I'd prefer to keep the Non-Cannon section and I ''definitely'' think we should keep the ambiguously canon stuff as well, so long as they are both properly indicated.[[User:Darth Ceratis|Darth Ceratis]] 19:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 
#I'd prefer to keep the Non-Cannon section and I ''definitely'' think we should keep the ambiguously canon stuff as well, so long as they are both properly indicated.[[User:Darth Ceratis|Darth Ceratis]] 19:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 
# [[User:Eggmanland|Eggmanland]] 09:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 
# [[User:Eggmanland|Eggmanland]] 09:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 
# [[User:Cutch|Cutch]] 23:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 
# [[User:Cutch|Cutch]] 23:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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# [[User:Charlii|Charlii]] 15:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
   
 
===Comments===
 
===Comments===
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****** If option 2 or 3 becomes consensus, we may need to have another discussion on what's ambiguously canon and what's "obviously" non-canon. &mdash;[[User:Silly Dan|Silly Dan]] <sub>[[User talk:Silly Dan|(talk)]]</sub> 05:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 
****** If option 2 or 3 becomes consensus, we may need to have another discussion on what's ambiguously canon and what's "obviously" non-canon. &mdash;[[User:Silly Dan|Silly Dan]] <sub>[[User talk:Silly Dan|(talk)]]</sub> 05:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 
*******So do we have a consensus? Because at this rate it's going to take forever. [[User:Chack Jadson|Chack Jadson]] 17:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 
*******So do we have a consensus? Because at this rate it's going to take forever. [[User:Chack Jadson|Chack Jadson]] 17:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
********No consensus currently. It's far too close. [[User:Atarumaster88|<span style="color:darkgreen;">'''Atarumaster88'''</span>]] [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] <sup>([[User talk:Atarumaster88|<span style="color:seagreen;">Audience Chamber</span>]])</sup> 20:37, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
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********No consensus currently. It's far too close. [[User:Atarumaster88|<span style="color:darkgreen;">'''Atarumaster88'''</span>]] [[File:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] <sup>([[User talk:Atarumaster88|<span style="color:seagreen;">Audience Chamber</span>]])</sup> 20:37, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 
*********I am abstaining from voting any of these three options because I think that [[Star Wars]] is a fictional man-made creation and we shouldn't be having fights over what is [[canon]] or non-canon like the Infinites and Ambiguous or outright [[fanon]]. That issue with those clowns from Shadowscourge changed my perspective of the Star Wars universe and drove me closer to the realworld. I agree that outright fanon created just yesterday should not be in this Wiki however. [[User:MyNz|MyNz]] 00:03, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 
*********I am abstaining from voting any of these three options because I think that [[Star Wars]] is a fictional man-made creation and we shouldn't be having fights over what is [[canon]] or non-canon like the Infinites and Ambiguous or outright [[fanon]]. That issue with those clowns from Shadowscourge changed my perspective of the Star Wars universe and drove me closer to the realworld. I agree that outright fanon created just yesterday should not be in this Wiki however. [[User:MyNz|MyNz]] 00:03, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 
**********We do that for the same reasons that the Catholic Church determines the canonicity of elements for their own fiction... [[User:Adamwankenobi|Adamwankenobi]] 00:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 
**********We do that for the same reasons that the Catholic Church determines the canonicity of elements for their own fiction... [[User:Adamwankenobi|Adamwankenobi]] 00:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
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*Separate it out, but I think ought we to treat the Tales 1-20 different from, say, other "ambiguous" such as the Polyhedron material which is technically non-canon. I confess I'm not sure how this should be done, since having ''another'' section for Tales info would just get messy. In other news, I think we need to tighten the definition of ambiguous to exclude things like Polyhedron material--keep that information since it gets referenced into canon every once in a while, but just move it to non-canon status.--[[User:Valin Kenobi|Valin Kenobi]] 03:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 
*Separate it out, but I think ought we to treat the Tales 1-20 different from, say, other "ambiguous" such as the Polyhedron material which is technically non-canon. I confess I'm not sure how this should be done, since having ''another'' section for Tales info would just get messy. In other news, I think we need to tighten the definition of ambiguous to exclude things like Polyhedron material--keep that information since it gets referenced into canon every once in a while, but just move it to non-canon status.--[[User:Valin Kenobi|Valin Kenobi]] 03:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 
**What about the goofy stories that nobody even thinks could possibly be canon that are in star wars tales? I'm thinking of George Binks and Fett Club and the like. To me, that sort of thing is worse than simple non-canon, because it detracts from the seriousness of rest of the article.[[User:Darth Ceratis|Darth Ceratis]] 20:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 
**What about the goofy stories that nobody even thinks could possibly be canon that are in star wars tales? I'm thinking of George Binks and Fett Club and the like. To me, that sort of thing is worse than simple non-canon, because it detracts from the seriousness of rest of the article.[[User:Darth Ceratis|Darth Ceratis]] 20:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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