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The result of the debate was categorize all images of Darth Vader in Category:Images of Anakin Skywalker. Graestan^(Talk) 15:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I realize I've been gone for the past week, but was there a community decision made to have separate image categories for Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker? I was under the impression that if there is a single article, then the images would all be categorized under Anakin Skywalker as well. Has this changed? - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 14:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

• There's only supposed to be one category. --Imperialles 01:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Ozzel has some explaining to do. Feel free to change the categories back. --Imperialles 01:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Apparently there's been a mix up. I remember one decision, he remembers another... yet neither seems to be documented anywhere. If there was some decision to only have one, then it was poorly executed, because there was still a Vader category in use and each cat. still linked to the other. Anyway, I think the best thing to do would be to just definitively decide here and now to have it on the record. But, I think we're waiting to see if anyone else knew anything about any of these decisions, so... -- Ozzel 01:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
      • Honestly, I don't remember a community decision one way or the other. I do remember that some people were starting to separate the images into the two separate categories. Shortly after, Darth Culator changed the images in the Darth Vader category to the Anakin Skywalker category and deleted the Darth Vader category. So, based on that, I assumed it had been officially decided there would only be the one category. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 04:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
      • Ozzel, I remember that same decision you do, and also can't seem to find it. Maybe it was on IRC? jSarek 11:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
        • Well, it's been discussed with all major parties, and it seems no real consensus was reached by everyone involved, so I suppose we should vote on this or something. Graestan^(Talk) 13:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

VoteEdit

Separate categories for Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader imagesEdit

1. Ozzel 18:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
2. Simply because of the visual disparity. Thefourdotelipsis 01:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
3. Per 4dot —Xwing328^(Talk) 03:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

   Per 4dot and because I think the categories serve the images themselves more than act merely as supplements to articles. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 03:53, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

4. I don't think it's any less useful to do it this way, and clearly more useful in certain rare cases such as Vader. I also don't see how it would set a dangerous precedent. If we just declare "near-total visual disparity PLUS pages and pages of images to wade through" as the prerequisite, that prevents this from being used willy-nilly (like for Palpatine/Sidious, which would be asinine). In fact, I can't think of any other character off the top of my head that it would apply to besides Vader. Gonk ^(Gonk!) 16:46, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
5. Per Gonk. For Anakin/Vader I think separate categories would be better, in most if not all other cases it should be just one category. --Jedimca0^{(Do or Do Not, There is No Try)} 19:50, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

   Per Gonk. -- Freakatone ^Talk23:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC) (vote stricken per voting policy)

6. No need to lump everything in one gigantic category when they split so neatly into two more useful ones. In response to Imp below, I wouldn't necessarily mind if this set a precedent for breaking down categories with a lot of images into something more navigable by visual type. Basically, per Gonk above. - Lord Hydronium 23:51, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
7. As long as no one takes this as a precedent for "Images of Palpatine/Images of Darth Sidious", "Images of Boba Fett/Images of Boba Fett without a helmet", or similar silly splits. —Silly Dan _(talk) 21:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
8. I think this is a bad example on which to base an entire policy, because I basically agree with Gonk above. In general, I would say one article one image category, but because of sheer amount of images and ease of breaking them up (see JMAS's response to Harrar below) that Vader/Anakin should be an exception. Wildyoda 18:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
9. Drewton ^{(Drewton's Holocron)} 16:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
10. StarNeptune^{Talk to me!} 16:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Single image category for Anakin SkywalkerEdit

1. One article, one category. If we allow split categories, it will set a bad precedent. --Imperialles 14:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
2. Easy. Chack Jadson ^(Talk) 15:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
3. Per Imp. StarNinja99 01:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
4. Per Imp. DC 01:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
5. Per Imp. Doluk 04:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
6. Greyman^(Talk) 13:34, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
7. And what would happen to the pictures of him unmasked? Harrar 18:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
   • If you note Gonk's answer stating it would be a near-total visual disparity. Almost all the DV images would be him in the suit. Pre-suit images that are clearly Vader would go in the DV category. Any pre-suit images that are ambiguous as to whether they are Anakin or Vader, would by default go in the Anakin Skywalker category. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 18:19, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
8. -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 20:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
9. Stake black ^msg 22:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
10. Mainly because of the period in which Anakin was Vader, but not in the suit yet. I wouldn't want to classify those as Vader and not Anakin; it actually throws the visual disparity thing out the window, in my estimation. Also, the precedent it sets is bad. While I love our images on the site, the site is not for the images—that would be clearly a breach of fair use. I think image categories should support articles just as the images do. Graestan^(Talk) 22:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
11. I think we should keep it in one category, but have some sort of dividing line between Anakin and Vader. Soresumakashi 08:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
12. Per Imp. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 14:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
13. Largely per Graestan, especially considering any pictures of Vader taken after his redemption (which I'm placing at the point where he chucks the Emperor into the pit). Furthermore, there are other characters you could argue "visual disparity" for/against - Darth Malak, Darth Krayt, and even to an extent Palpy/Sidious - where would we draw the line? ^Jorrel_Fraajic 21:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
14. - Kingpin13^{Cantina Battle Ground} 17:55, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
15. There's really no point to separating them, and it would be an artificial distinction anyway, which was the point of the merge of the articles. The visual disparity has nothing to do with being Vader -- "Vader" looked just like "Anakin" at points, and "Anakin" looked like "Vader" when he died. Then who gets into arguing whether he was "Anakin" or "Vader" at this point or that when he was about to throw Palpatine down the shaft, or when he's kneeling in front of Sidious? It's a silly, unnecessary idea and a horrible precedent. One character, one article, one quote page, one image category supporting that article. It's not that complicated. Havac 19:49, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
16. I've been wavering since this opened, but Havac has convinced me. jSarek 21:26, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
17. The system defaults to this anyway. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 12:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
18. Per Havac. Vader does not always equal the guy in black armor, as we saw in Episode III. A good solution would to have a category for images of Darth Vader's armor as well. -LtNOWIS 12:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
19. Per the above; although, one could make the argument that Callista Ming and Cray Mingla could get ugly if we had more pictures all of a sudden. :) Master Aban Fiolli ^{{Alpheridies University ComNet}} 15:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
20. Per Imp and Havac. - breathesgelatin^Talk 09:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
21. Pixelle^(Talk!) 16:42, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
22. --Eyrezer 13:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
23. Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing ^{(Oya Manda!)} 16:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Darth Vader sub-category within Anakin SkywalkerEdit

1. JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 16:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

I suppose it all has to do with whether you consider image categories as being supplements to the articles, or to serve the images themselves. Graestan^(Talk) 14:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I can't vote one way or another (new user and all that), but there already seems to be a precedent for split categories: Category:Images_of_Morrigan_Corde and Category:Images_of_Nyna_Calixte. Granted, some of the Corde images (and one of Gunner, for some odd reason) are in the Calixte category, but I'm assuming that those were put in that category fairly recently. Like Anakin and Vader, Calixte and Corde also display a visual disparity. Their categories are separate (for now). Potatohead Kid 17:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

• Potatehead Kid has a point. If this vote is successful, than the separate categories that that user mentions above, I assume, would need to integrated as well. However, if this CT is voted that separate cats are a good idea, then no harm/no foul. Greyman^(Talk) 08:43, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I've always thought Anakin and Vader should have 2 different categories. Less clutter, obviously. I mean, from a certain point of view, they are 2 different people. I don't know, that's just my opinion. LeiaOrganicSolo 14:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Why not a sub-category? Darth Vader inside the category for Anakin Skywalker. Alec inside the one for Malak. Etc. Etc. --Redemption^(Talk) 15:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

• I was thinking the same thing. I really don't see what we would gain by not doing that. -- Ozzel 00:51, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• I would prefer a dividing line, maybe an ==Anakin Skywalker== and ==Darth Vader== type thing. It will even fit in chronologically then. Sub-categories are acceptable, but entirely separate categories for Anakin and Vader? No. Not unless we decide to split the main article itself, which, I'm relieved to say, will NEVER happen. Soresumakashi 10:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)