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Sorry if this has been discussed before. I think that we should add known kills to all warrior boxes. All pilots should have the number of craft destroyed. All Jedi and Sith character boxes should have a list of the people they have killed in lightsaber duels. I know that this may be hard to get accurate answers for. For pilots it will required reading every book and comic a character has been in. The light saber duel kills will be easier. I also can guess that many of you will not see the necessity. But, in the real world, the main statistics that follow pilots around is the number of kills they have. Samuri use to be rated on how many duels they were in and how many men they killed. All warriors have a list of their confirmed kills. Not having this in their info box would be like not having a baseball players batting average on the back of their baseball card.

  • I think the Jedi and Sith should have the victim of their duels listed by name (maybe adding a expansion button of some kind for the truly prolific killers. Only saber to saber duels ending in a death should count.
  • For pilots, just a number should do. Maybe in the talk sections we can list how many they killed in each book or movie and then add them up on the real articles info box.

This would be really useful for anyone who has ever wondered, "who would win in a fight," or "who had the best career." It also seems to stand out as one fact missing from every major character page. Has it been discussed before? IthinkIwannaLeia 23:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

  • I disagree. That would make a huge, unnecessarily large section. It is also basically a trivia section, which we discourage. It's rather unnecessary in my opinion and I consider the analogies to be rather weak, especially considering that batting average is nothing like kills. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 23:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I don't think it is trivia. Someones death is never trivial. Also the writers of LotF have put a great emphasis on the effects of killing--especially concerning the difficulties Luke and Mara have with being killers and parents.

Also the comparisons are not weak. It would make since for in-universe pilots kills to be as important as real world pilots. And if you could get a better real world comparisons to jedi than samurai, you let me know. Almost all stories of samurai list their deuling successes. The batting average was just me haveing some fun. Although martial artist keep track of their K.O.'s. Modern day soldiers also have "confirmed kills." listed in their files first page. As for making the info boxes too long, that is a concern. For Luke and Vader, it might be very long indeed. Most everyone else has only had about 5 saber to saber duels that lead to a death. For those particular ones that are too long, a "..." with an arrow button should cover them up until you click on it. That way it still looks neat and tidy for those of us who don't care about the kills. I am less concerned about the pilots kills...that may be somewhat trival. OK. I am done responding. what does everyone else think? IthinkIwannaLeia 02:06, 13 October 2007 (UTC) (added-sorry)

  • I think you should sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). As for the idea, it is trivia, and while a case could be made that it's useful factual trivia, the sad reality is it would be unmaintainable. You'd be able to list an accurately sourced number of kills for maybe two characters in all of SW. No point. Gonk (Gonk!) 00:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
    • I only support a "kills" field if we have one for "number of times character has used a toilet". QuentinGeorge 06:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Per everyone else. We don't know the exact number of kills of most characters. And even if we did, it would result in infoboxes taking up 90% of pages. So, not a good idea. Unit 8311 17:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Anything important, for example a Jedi that a Sith might have killed, would be in that characters bio anyways. Needless and redundant, IMO. Greyman(Paratus) 17:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I understand your reasoning behind this idea. Sadly, as the other guys have pointed out allready, it is something I don't agree to having in the infoboxes. Carlitos Moff 18:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
    • What would you do for people like Grievous or Vader? They've got at least a dozen (a few dozen actually in the case of Grievous). Chack Jadson (Talk) 23:30, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
    • I believe Vader would have the most. For long ones, I am sure the boxes could be made to look like this: "Duel Kills: Dark Lady, Master Tholme, Obi-Wan Kenobi...>" The ">" button could be pressed to expand the list. Otherwise it would be hidden. I am unsure if this is possible under the current confines of wiki formating, but I think it probably could be. Only confirmed kills would be counted, so the unidentified jedi that grevious killed to get most of his lightsabers would not count. There isn't that many saber to saber battles in-universe. Usually it is less than one per book, and maybe an average of three per video game (depending on the game). I don't think it would be that hard. AS FOR THE TRIVIA POINT...I guess I am out voted so far. I think it important to know who a warrior has killed, but I guess others don't. oh well. IthinkIwannaLeia 02:06, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't like this idea, either. The first reason is we simply don't know the number of kills for any character. In scenes in a movie, book or comic, how can you really count how many kills someone has when they're firing away into a crowd of Stormtroopers? It just doesn't seem possible to be accurate with it.