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Hi, I'm not a regular in discussion here. I've been looking about but still haven't found the answer. So lemme cut to the chase:
Is 0 BBY the same year as 0 ABY? Or are they two years and 0 ABY follows on after 0 BBY?
Thanks! -TheLostJedi 13:47, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
- At least i have always thought that they are the one and same... and of course they are because 0 years before is same as 0 years after...yes they are the same year one in which ep4/classic Star Wars takes place....--Swashbuckler1138 18:13, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
- No, not the same. 0 BBY was the year before the Battle of Yavin (BBY) and 0 ABY the year that started after the Battle of Yavin (ABY). -- 1358 (Talk) 18:16, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
- This is not a conversation that most people would like to restart, but I shall regardless: According to strict interpretations of canon (Wookieepedia uses a different interpretation that is arguably valid), the year 0 BBY does not necessarily exist. The interpretation of any year, e.g. "3 ABY" means "precisely 3 years after the Battle of Yavin," and for calendar purposes the year 3 ABY starts on the anniversary of the Battle, and ends the day before the next anniversary. Using BBY, you have to count backwards. "1 BBY" starts exactly one year before the Battle, and ends the day before the Battle (zero'th anniversary). The day of the Battle would be exactly 0 ABY and that year goes until the day before the anniversary). Ergo, the calendar counts from 2 BBY, 1 BBY, 0 ABY, 1 ABY, etc. Wookieepedia has, through consensus that shall not be argued, chosen an interpretation consistent with older sources, such as the Essential Chronology. Not wrong, but I don't use it, and neither does Nathan Butler or Leland Chee. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith -Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!- 19:42, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
- No, not the same. 0 BBY was the year before the Battle of Yavin (BBY) and 0 ABY the year that started after the Battle of Yavin (ABY). -- 1358 (Talk) 18:16, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
- OK I think I have the answer here: The way I've always seen it is that 0 ABY and 0 BBY are, in fact, the same year, the only difference being that BBY refers to events in that year that occurred before the battle, and ABY those that occurred after. This is supported by the Wook pages for 0 BBY and 0 ABY, which both claim they are 1,000 years after the Ruusan Reformation, as well as 35 years and 3 months after the ReSyncronization. Copied from a post I made on User talk:Farlstendoiro. Assuming the wook pages are not fanon, the year 0 on the BBY/ABY scale starts at 35 years and 2 months after the Great ReSynchronization. The one month between this and the Battle of Yavin is called 0 BBY. The remaining 11 months of the year (35:3 to 36:2) are called 0 ABY. So yes, they are part of the same year starting one month before the Battle, as opposed to separate years starting on the actual date of the Battle of Yavin. I hope that clears the issue up a little bit. SoresuMakashi(Everything I tell you is the truth) 02:47, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
- The only question left to ask would be: Why would the year start at 35:2? Is there something significant about that date? That, I don't have the answer to. SoresuMakashi(Everything I tell you is a lie) 02:51, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
Wow, you guys really responded fast and with valid arguements/answers. I really appreciate that. Thank you. -TheLostJedi 12:07, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
- You know, it does make sense that they would not be two years, considering how new epoch can be defined by events in the galaxy's history. 0 BTC and 0 ATC are both the year 3,653 BBY, otherwise you'd be inserting a new year in the BBY/ABY scale there. -TheLostJedi 12:18, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
- Soresu, someone changed the years to reflect the discussion I was talking about earlier (tracing back it looks like the changes were made back in January/February by Borsk Fey'lya, who took it upon himself to make the amendments). The pages now show that the year 0 BBY is barely a few days, basically the events immediately before and during Episode IV. His changes were technically and canonically correct, but against the consensus-made decision. It may be worth revisiting the talks. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith -Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!- 21:10, May 16, 2010 (UTC)