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In Episode III, General Grievous says to Obi-Wan (and I quote almost perfectly): "You fool! I've been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku." But in Clone Wars, Obi-Wan and the General fight, like, every other episode. Obi-Wan would know that Grievous new how to fight! Is this just a mess up on LucasFilms or am I missing something vital????? —Unsigned comment by220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs).
The first paragraph I wrote is fact, the second is conjecture:
It's an intentional mess up. The fact is, MOST PEOPLE WHO WATCHED THE MOVIE aren't familiar with the clone wars EU and therefore don't expect Grievous to be a jedi slaughtering psychopath. Hell, they don't even know his name until the introduction. It makes the movie more interesting because most people don't expect him to use lightsabers, let alone four of them (even if they see bits of the duel in the trailer, the scene with him twirling them is truly mind blowing to anyone who ever watches the movie). So when grievous throws off his cape and reveals two extra arms and four lighsabers everybody in the audience is thinking "I know Obi-Wan technically can't die, but it sure looks like he's about to die." If the characters in a movie predict what's going to happen next, all the drama and tension is lost; Obi-Wan NEEDS to be surprised when Grievous gets ready to fight, just for the movie to work. On a lesser note, it is showed glaringly in the beginning of ROTS that Grievous prefers to let others fight his battles while he escapes (first vulture droids and tri-fighters, if that doesn't work then battle droids and Count Dooku, if that still doesn't work then magnaguards and more battle droids, if the jedi kill those to, hop in an escape pod)
It COULD be retconned that Obi-Wan was teasing Grievous, but I have no say in that so pay more attention to the other paragraph. By saying "Your Move" , Obi-Wan was really saying "what? you're gonna defend yourself with lighsabers? that's old news." But Grievous didn't find it funny and said the thing you quoted to remind Obi-Wan. 18.104.22.168 23:19, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
Also, remember that TCW messes alot with standing Star Wars canon. This isn't the only thing that can get confusing. This is why I just stopped watching TCW. Also remember, that movie canon is always over television canon. Cal Jedi(Personal Comm Channel) 17:36, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Cal Jedi: you're absolutely right, but in terms of the FIRST clone wars cartoon series and the comic books and what now, Obi-Wan would've known Grievous used lighsabers, even if they hadn't dueled as much as they do in the questionably cannon TCW series Ewok9007 22:55, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
True. Many things get confused like this. Like continuity differences between the first clone wars series and Labyrinth of Evil. We won't know for sure until Leland Chee says something about it or it gets cleared up in an upcoming book or something. Cal Jedi(Personal Comm Channel) 00:53, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
I just think he's pointing out the obvious. As if Grievous is really saying "You idiot! You know very well that I'm fully trained in lightsaber combat, and that I've killed dozens of Jedi!" If you interpret it that way, all TCW does is add the implied sentence "And I've only gotten better since our LAST meeting!" Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith-Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!- 16:13, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
I think it is important to note that, up until this point, Grievous' training in the Jedi arts was unknown. He demonstrated his ability with lightsabers and his connection with the Sith was obvious. However, until that moment, it is possible that Obi-Wan had not considered that Dooku trained Grievous. It could also be possible that Grievous' personal training in the Jedi art of combat occurred after Obi-Wan's last encounter before the RotS scene. This is conjectural, but Obi-Wan's surprise could have been his realization of Grievous' stronger connection to the Force as a result of such training. GethralkinHyperwave 15:01, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
In what episodes of TCW do Obi-Wan and Grievous meet face to face? I don't think it's happened. ~Savage 14:30, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
He Fights him in both the 3rd battle of Kamino and in the 1st battle of saleucami. Darth Needham 17:50, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
Again, what episodes are you referring to? ~Savage 18:11, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
There's nothing to debate, it's just is what it is, so there's nothing to lose either. (; –Tm_T(Talk) 06:24, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your opinions! I think it's just a mess up by LucasFilms. I agree that TCW isn't official and, therefore cannot be trusted in such matters. Thanks again and keep putting your thoughts on the subject! —Unsigned comment by22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs).
While you are welcome to your opinion, it's important for matters of clarity to our readers that you express it as just that, and not Wookieepedia policy. Policy is that TCW is official. DD97Which bear is best? 05:12, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
Ok...agreed but what about greivous and anakin acting like their seeing each other for the first time in ROtS...the dueled in the clone wars!!! this was a massive lucasfail —Unsigned comment by126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs).
I believe it is in SW:TCW the complete season 1 or 2 box sets that the directors discuss Anakin and Grievous. They say that they can't have Grievous and Anakin fight each other in order for it to be a first time encounter in Revenge of the Sith. Anakin and Grievous have never fought each other. I have seen every episode.MaxReebo 16:49, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
And yet, Grievous sees with his own eyes an unconscious Anakin being traded for him in Shadow Warrior. More conflicting canon, this time between two pieces of G-level canon or whatever the official name is!--Mgrozo 21:19, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
TCW is T-Canon, which means that when factual conflicts occur, the G-Canon of the movies takes precedence over the show. This isn't really a conflict, though, as this would hardly count as "meeting" by anyone's standards. DD97Which bear is best? 22:01, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
No this is one of the few things TCW did perfectly. When Grievous was being traded for Anakin, he was more pre-occupied with his anger and humiluation to even think about Anakin, and Anakin was unconcious. Score One for TCW.188.8.131.52 05:52, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
Additionally, the scene was "shot" in twilight when visual acuity would have been low enough for Grievous—who, as was mentioned already, was preoccupied with being bested by Gungans—to have not seen Anakin clearly. GethralkinHyperwave 14:31, January 22, 2012 (UTC)