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One major point of confusion that I always had concerns the relation between Jango Fett and his clones or at least his role in the Clone Wars. He was hired by Dooku as the host for the Grand Army of the Republic and knew very well that the army was being made for the Republic, yet he was also well aware that Dooku was the leader of the Separatist movement/Confederacy of Independent Systems. Thus, his affiliations confuse me. As a bounty hunter, Jango Fett may have been merely "doing his job" without question, as long as he was paid. But once the clone army was deployed, what part would he have played in it? As in, what part was he meant to play in it? To simplify this question, recall the Battle of Geonosis. Jango Fett, presumably would not have predicted that the clone troopers would arrive at the arena that day to assist the Jedi. Either way, he was killed just before he witnessed this pivotal event, fighting against the Jedi alongside the droids of the CIS. But, had he survived for moments longer to witness the arrival of the clone army, how would he have reacted? He was fighting alongside the CIS at the time, but the Republic's army comprised of his clones. Would he have fought against them? Were the clone troopers programmed to be loyal to Jango Fett as well as the Republic? Would the clone troopers have been surprised to see Jango Fett fighting with the CIS and what would they have thought of it. Would Jango Fett have switched sides?
I know it may appear that I'm asking for a lot of speculative answers ("what if"), but I'm not. In other words, I'm not asking "would Jango Fett have switched sides" as part of a "what-if-scenario" but rather as an example of one of the many questions that will arise from a lack of understanding of his relation with the clone troopers.
In other words, my real question is: what is his affiliation? Has there ever, in fact, been a canonical explanation for what was planned for him (or what he himself planned) if he had survived to see the start of the Clone Wars? How could he have been affiliated with the CIS and yet created an army for the Republic? Did the clone troopers view Jango Fett as a father, not realizing he allied with their enemy? I hope I did not make this question too confusing. Sol Pacificus (talk) 23:50, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
This doesn't answer all your points, but in the Boba Fett young reader books (especially Boba Fett: The Fight to Survive), they established that Jango was one of the very few people who knew perfectly well that Count Dooku and Darth Tyranus were the same man. Jango's first duty was serving the interests of Dooku (the man who hired him). He was making the Republic's army (part of Darth Sidious's and Darth Tyranus's plans for Empire), and acting the role of trainer and tactician on Tatooine, but his loyalties lay always with Dooku. I guess it makes a bit more sense when you recall that both sides of the Clone Wars were being guided by the Sith, and note that Jango worked for the Sith. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith-Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!- 14:15, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
It's pretty clear that Fett being a hired gun had no ideological loyalties to anything but his wallet. He did not care about the Separatist cause or the Republic, only getting paid. Jango Fett was hired to be an assassin for Dooku's special mission against Komari Vosa which gave him the opportunity to act as a trainer and template for the clone army by the Kaminoans. Fett was given a clone for a son and a substantial fee for this work. This was his motivation. After training the army Dooku kept him on as a bodyguard and so he served him. Had someone else paid him more I can't imagine he wouldn't have changed sides, but I must stress the word "paid" in that statement.
As for the clones they held no sense of loyalty to Fett, they did not see him as a father figure. Remember that the clones are designed to be little more than organic battle droids, sentimentality and family ties would have gotten in the way of all that. Furthermore it's also worth noting the clones were not loyal to the Republic either, not truly. The clone army was loyal to the Supreme Chancellor, hence Order 66 and the New Order. They would have killed Jango if ordered and Jango certainly wouldn't have been against killing them. The only clone Jango would have cared about was Boba who was a son to him, the others held no significance in his eyes. Had he not died on Geonosis one imagines he'd have filled the same role as Cad Bane.22.214.171.124 23:05, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
So we see two opposing thoughts on this matter: one proposes that Jango worked for the Sith, the other that he was essentially like any other bounty hunter: money was the only motivation. I recall reading Boba Fett: The Fight to Survive and Boba Fett: Crossfire back when I was ten, which was almost a decade ago, and so I do not remember the details very well, and I also do not have the book with me at the moment. However, I do recall distinctly that Jango was indeed aware that Darth Tyranus and Dooku were the same person, but I also vaguely remember that it was never explicitly stated that Jango understood that "Darth Tyranus" was a Sith title, and if I remember correctly, he even emphasized to Boba Fett that Dooku's business and his usage of an alias should be of no concern to bounty hunters like them. Granted, my memory is vague, and I would have to double-check the book when I have time, but I find it difficult to believe that the Sith would have informed Jango of the details of the plan or even that Jango would've known that the true purpose of the clone army was to massacre the Jedi via TeamKill. Moreover, Jango insisted to Boba that Dooku should not be trusted wholeheartedly, that he regarded Dooku as a business partner, nothing more; thus, I don't think it can be said that he was loyal to the Sith.
As for the latter opinion, it's made abundantly clear in multiple sources that Jango Fett possessed a strict code of honor. The one source that is particularly on my mind at the moment is also the Boba Fett series. A fundamental difference between Jango Fett and Cad Bane is that Jango had his own personal rules and guidelines to abide by (though I admit that I don't know too much of Cad Bane so far since it was only yesterday that I watched the episode he debuted in.) My point is that it's a stretch for me to believe that Jango would not have possessed any reservations about killing these clones or that his loyalty absolutely goes to the highest bidder, even if he definitely had no true love for either faction. I do not know him, and the sources that I have read so far are unclear on the matter, but the existence of a personal code of honor suggests that he did have some ideological beliefs. As for the clones not holding any loyalty to Jango either; I am certain that had the clones been placed in a situation where their loyalties were torn between the Republic and Jango, they would've chosen the former as per their programming. However, that does not mean that they didn't respect Jango or feel any loyalty towards him to a degree. In this case, I also disagree that they had no sentimentality since having watched the first season of The Clone Wars recently, I've noticed that many of them have shown human emotions & thoughts, esp. in the case of Waxer's compassion towards the Twi'lek orphan Numa (besides the fact that I, personally, thought that the cartoon's characterization of the characters is at times questionably contradictory towards the characterization presented in previous works). I remember that in Republic 50: The Defense of Kamino, Alpha-17 activated the self-destruct mechanism to destroy the latest generation of clones because it was "Jango's orders." While this isn't much to go by, I thought that the implication is that the clone troopers did respect Jango to some aspect or at least regard him in some measure as an authority figure.
On a side note that's somewhat off-topic, I have read many times that the clone troopers were absolutely loyal to the Republic itself; my interpretation of their willingness to obey the orders of the Supreme Chancellor without question is not because of any loyalty to Palpatine himself, or a lack of "true" loyalty to the Republic, but rather because they perceived the position of Supreme Chancellor as the very symbol of the Galactic Republic. As far as the chain-of-command goes, the Supreme Chancellor is the commander-in-chief of the Republic military after all. Though I agree that I thought it was somewhat unbelievable that the clone troopers would unanimously continue serving the government after its transition into the Galactic Empire.
But back on topic, ultimately, the idea that "the clone army was loyal to the Supreme Chancellor, hence Order 66 and the New Order. They would have killed Jango if ordered and Jango certainly wouldn't have been against killing them" needs decisive evidence to verify. So does the assertion that "the others held no significance in his eyes." Sol Pacificus (talk) 04:20, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
Jango knew everything, so he probably wouldn't be surprised, and he would have been happy so long as he got his money. To be clear, Jango never intended to fight his clones. He was just a companion/bodyguard of Dooku. I'm sure the clones would never have followed him. Many of them dislike any mention of their mandalorian heritage, for they assist the enemy. CloneMarshalCommanderCody (talk) 21:26, June 12, 2014 (UTC)