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I have two real questions,
1, it's always been my belief (possibly from the video games) that there are certain Force Powers that are inherently dark sided, ie. Force Choke, Force lightning, etc. Are there any instances of Jedi (other than Luke) using these abilities?
2, In ROTJ, Luke uses Force Choke on the Gamorian gaurds as he enters the pallace and on the Swarm Wars article, there's a picture of what i believe is Luke using Force Lightning. So where did Luke learn these abilities? Especially the Force Choke, that's not really something Yoda or Obi-Wan would teach him.22.214.171.124 13:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)Kel Stryyk
Yes to your first question, the second one I'm not sure about, but I believe that Force Choke is just a variation of Telekinesis which most Jedi learn. I think that it’s almost “instinctive” - Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground 13:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Kyle Katarn and Jaden Korr can use both Force Choke and Force Lightning, and while the games consider them to be dark side powers, using them doesn't drive you to the dark side. In fact, if I recall correctly, in Jedi Outcast, Kyle doesn't get any good at Force Choke and doesn't even known Force Lightning until AFTER the darkness clears from his heart - when he discovers Jan Ors is still alive. So there's two examples of Jedi who used those powers without being dark.Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith 16:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi prof here. I agree with Chally1985 and Kingpin13. Choke can be used by any jedi because it is a variation of telekiness but the in the old jedi order it was forrbidden but could be easly done even by a padawan. Electric judgment was erent to force lightning because force lightning is blue and electric judgment is green as you can see on the picture. It was banned in the jedi order because they belived it was too close to the darkside. User:The prof
The Dark Side is willing to grant its seductive abilities easily to those willing to use them. Any Force user can call upon Force Lightning and the like, should they allow their fear or anger to overwhelm them. That said, Luke's use of Force Choke in Return of the Jedi was partly to show how even he could succumb to his darker impulses, so that the outcome of his showdown with the Emperor would not be a foregone conclusion. His usage of Force Lightning was in the context of a particularly dark time for the Jedi Order as a whole, when they were losing sight of dark and light after adopting a philosophy based on the teachings of Vergere. jSarek 23:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I agree that Jedi can give in to their inner darkness to a degree that doesn't turn them to the Dark Side but exposes them to it. Yoda momentarily converted to the Dark Side in one of the Star Wars novels (can not remember which one). Mace Windu's connection to his inner darkness is found in his usage of Vaapad and Force crush. The dark path and light path coalesce. —Unsigned comment byLordCaedus (talk • contribs).
Th Jedi can border on the edge of the dark side, without actually being considered "Dark." Vaapad is one example of this. 13:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
If you actually read Lukes biography, he had actually been seduced to the darkside by the emperor reborned but was later brought back to the light side by Leia and after he killed the emperorJiang Mothma 06:48, 12 October 2008 (UTC)