This page is an archive of a community-wide discussion. This page is no longer live. Further comments or questions on this topic should be made in a new Knowledge Bank page rather than here so that this page is preserved as a historic record. Advanced Jedi Training Droid 6(Talk to my master) 03:46, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
This is a very big contradiction in Star Wars. When forseeing the future, Yoda says that its always in motion and that nothing is set in stone. The morale of Revenge of the Sith is don't jump to conclusions. Yet the prophecy of the Chosen One was set in stone, the Prophets of the Dark Side did forsee Palpatine's death, Tenebrous did see Plagueis killed, and Caedus's rare changing of the future set Abeloth free. All the evidence points to predestination. Which is it then?Darth Pickle 2 (talk) 03:49, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
Darth Pickle 2...Sometimes I wonder if you invented the name just to keep us talking about the sodium saturated cucumber in these questions.
The morale of Revenge of the Sith is not necessarily about jumping to conclusions. Actually, Anakin thought Padme needing saved, Obi-Wan cries out that he was supposed to destroy the Sith and not join them, and "Even Yoda cannot see their fate" can refer to the possibility of seeing the future. For correcting the misconception:
"Through the Force, strange things you will see, other places...The future...The past...Old Friends long gone." As a close-shot at what Yoda says, he thinks you will see the future. The Jedi are supposed to know their visions are unreliable, especially when interpreting them from a flawed human perspective with limited faculties and emotions tied to the surreal, bizarre premonitions one experiences from the Force. That is my best shot. The prophecy was a sure thing apparently. But remember...The Council did not expect Anakin to turn to the Dark Side, nor turn away from it. Luke storms off on the same quest of great compassion when he goes to Cloud City. Luke does act on a vision, given full certainty the crew of the Falcon will succeed in Jabba's Palace. It is an idea that has been spoken of throughout continuity. However, Luke did not know about Mara Jade thanks to his vision. And what he saw could not have been exact enough.
It is my personal observation that Kyle Katarn's visions of the Thought Bomb are not too accurate, and note that Padme's different deaths while in labor are all changing...Unless those are scenes we do not see between the shots of the delivery.
Many instances where a character has a vision has been tagged by this wiki at least to the Yuzahn Vong invasion. But some of the visions I've read about I was pretty sure were about events in the story or the Empire's invasion. So even we can't figure out some visions. Go figure. : ) 220.127.116.11 06:05, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
And Predestination and Freewill is probably a bad title for this. In reality, from personal belief, both exist. They do not exclude each other. We humans do not like to think some things we cannot think through to be possible and real. In other words, because we make decisions with a visible consequence for each choice, we tend to think there can only be freewill. And to say that there is such thing as destiny, fate, Divine Providence, or any kind of predetermination on the part of God, the Force, or just the way the world works (hard to believe the latter option) is to speak of a lie. But both can exist. The experiences we feel from choice is never downplayed when Providence or Predestination is in effect. Thus we cannot deny destiny's reality, because we are numb to most of any sense that there are strings pulling are choices out of us.
But you were probably referring to things more about the visions and knowing for sure who was going to make the choice foreseen. If not, then the paragraph above should be left alone. We are all going to get into a big fight that goes over the head of Star Wars continuity if we come back to this and some other topics that exceed a work of fiction and its history.
Not that it is not good to have the discussion. But it is not what this wiki is for. And to set you straight, one of the reasons for posting here again, you probably should be careful with what terms you use. Predestination can mean a few different things all along the same line of thought.
One reason it is good for me to return to this post here is to warn the wiki to be on guard for another question like this one. Some will go over Star Wars in a way that can only be fought out in life, not in record keeping and answering some clear-cut questions. If you encounter some inquiry put in such a strange, higher thinking way, I suggest you break it down like the above answer I gave based on the canon. Both destiny and choice exist in Star Wars. Whether there is Providence or destiny and choice in reality is heavily contested, however, a large theme in Star Wars has to do with characters' choice, yet with destiny involved. This is a straight answer. Look for these when we get into hot, controversial queries.
And yes, this was a post-answer-post-for-the-sake-of-warning-about-real-divisive-issues-from-life-posts. Please take no offense I just took the time to put this here. If you feel it is excessive or poor for the wiki or the community...Don't tell me, just hit undo. May the Force be with you.18.104.22.168 05:16, September 27, 2013 (UTC)