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Since the V-Wing starfighters were a precursor starfighter to the TIE/ln and the two shared similar characteristics such as lack of life support, why are Imperial V-Wing pilots depicted with open face helmets? I realise that there is at least one "Incredible Cross-Sections" source, that shows a pilot with a closed face plate, but Imperial V-Wing pilots do not have sealed helmets. Is there some kind of canon technology that explains this that I'm unaware of, or are the Imperial V-wings upgraded with life support as well as hyperdrives?Ghostmaker 06:44, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
According to ep3 visual dictionary at least V-wings in Palpatine's shuttle convoy (whatever) are upgraded with hyperdrive as well so perhaps these elite V-wings also have some sort of lifesupport... however normal ones shouldn't.... very odd- it's probably a mistake- where are those imperial v-wing pilots seen anyway?--Swashbuckler1138 14:44, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
I noticed the Imperial V-Wing Pilot in the Hasbro Legacy Collection toy line. The Shadow Squadron (Imperial) page explains that this is the only place they appear. The Imperial ARC-170 and the V-wing starfighters do appear in Imperial guise elsewhere, so I guess they needed Imperial clone pilots for them. It's interesting that Shadow Squadron had it's own uniform in the interim, before TIE Pilot suits introduced, while the rest of the clones basically went from Phase II Republic clone armor to the Imperial Stormtrooper armor we know in the OT.
It is odd that there is very little media depicting a Republic V-Wing Pilot, apart from the drawing in an "Incredible Cross-sections". The "Republic Gunship Pilot", from the same Legacy Collection action figure line kind of fits the description with the full face helmet, though I don't recall any appearances of them anywhere either.Ghostmaker 15:58, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that clones/stormtroopers went straight from phase 2 to stormyarmor- as we can see in Kashyyyk level of TFU (in xbox360 and ps3 only though) there was armor that was intermediate between phase2 clone armor and classic stormie armor- i think new live action series... whever it comes may support that too- it's said to have lots of stormtroopers but what kind of armor they have?
It seems that phase3 clone/ phase1 stormy - armor is not canon though- i cannot understand why -it is supposed to be canon- actually xbox and ps3 versions should be more canon- because they are simply well... better- closer to the movies and all. At least different phases of stormies would explain partially why in old trilogy many stormtroopers have different armor- some armors can be older models....--Swashbuckler1138 05:21, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
Also we cannot trust to toy designs- old lego Arc-170 fighter have three pilots with closed helmet (they also have closed helmet in old Clone Wars cartoon- so probably that was preliminary design for them) Hasbro models can be more accurate than legos -but they can also have mistakes in them...--Swashbuckler1138 05:24, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
Licenced toys are accepted for EU canon. Which is subordinate to film canon, but still canon. Lego could never be canon though IMO. It falls into the plush toy category, because it lacks realism. That's just me.
Good point but actually i think that hasn't been told anywhere that hasbro toys are somehow "more canon" because their appearance-
as lego collector i should disagree- but anyway truth is that legos are far more less accurate than Hasbro's figures (even though i like legos more)- still i think that toys should be canonized less canon than other eu-material because they are.... well... toys- in ESB Luke Skywalker didn't had mechanism that shoots his hand off -or does he canonically have because some toy has it? XD - i think that non-logic things in toys should be taken as minor errors rather than canonical problems....--Swashbuckler1138 08:51, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
I do see your point on the Kashyyyk stormies, but they are essentially imperial stormtroopers in every aspect apart from a subtle differemce in the shape of their helmet lenses. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I can't see a problem with clone pilots having closed helmets in the earlier ARC 170s, as it doesn't conflict with design dynamics, such as having a life support system. You can wear a full face helmet and still utilise life support. Also the introduction of phase 2 armour didn't necessarily coincide with the introduction of the ARC-170. Ghostmaker 08:16, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
Closed helmets of Arc-pilots are just one of the many inconsistencies between old Clone Wars cartoon and ep3- in the battle of Coruscant we also see brown vultures and huge fleet of Providence-cruisers other than Invisible Hand... and none Munificents or Recusants... movie´is more canon -so this is error in cartoon- they probably didn't repaint vultures during the battle :P
Of course we can say there were both blue and brown droidfighter we just don't see same fighters in both- same with Providences and other ships and arc-pilots.... perhaps some used closed, some open helmets....
Kashyyyk stormies should be considered canon because they appear in some version of the game- similarly to other elements that are only from some game versions (like Chop'aa Notimo is canon even though he isn't in ps3 or xbox) still some elements are better in some TFU-versions- but canonicity is problematic in those- Bail Organa having imperial shuttle with blue marks (xbox)is much more logic than Sheathipede class shuttle (wii/ps2)... after all Bail Organa is technically "imperial" more than neimoidian....--Swashbuckler1138 08:51, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
Bear in mind that the Empire absorbed the CIS military and nationalized the assets of the Trade Federation and most of the other CIS organizations (except the Banking Clan, per other sources like Forces of Corruption). So Bail Organa using an old Sheathipede (especially when serving his own interests and not those of the Imperial Senate) is reasonable (perhaps he had an official diplomatic shuttle, like a Theta or Lambda, and was also assigned an older shuttle for personal use?) Either way, I'd say it's not unreasonable. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith-Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!- 12:36, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
Well yes... it's not impossible but just not a good idea- there is many shuttle types- Organa should have had alderaanian shuttle instead- but no one wanted to design one... i think that canonically it was imperial shuttle perhaps some source confirms it sometime...--Swashbuckler1138 16:37, May 28, 2010 (UTC)