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Celebration IV > LordHydronium on JJM


IRC log follows. Some interesting continuity-implications there. - Sikon 15:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[17:37:58] <LordHydronium>	Gyargh, now to decide between little sleep and arriving later than I wanted to CIV.
[17:38:38] <LucidFox>	You're at CIV?
[17:39:03] <LordHydronium>	I live in LA. ;)
[17:39:18] <LucidFox>	Those lucky United Statesians.
[17:39:30] <LucidFox>	*siiiiiigh*
[17:39:44] <LordHydronium>	I don't know if you saw my reports above.
[17:40:01] <LordHydronium>	Not much to say so far, but the panels and other people arriving will pick that up
[17:40:23] <LordHydronium>	Randy was there at the DH booth, but I got sidetracked talking to JJM and never got around to talking to him.
[17:40:32] <LucidFox>	Talking to JJM?
[17:40:34] <LucidFox>	Wow
[17:40:38] <LordHydronium>	Yep.
[17:40:45] <LucidFox>	Speak of the devil...
[17:40:55] <LordHydronium>	Got his thoughts on some aspects of Wookieepedia.
[17:41:02] Nick	Culator|Out is now known as Darth_Culator.
[17:41:05] <Darth_Culator>	The Devil?
[17:41:08] <LucidFox>	AWESOME!!1eleven
[17:41:32] <LucidFox>	What did he say?
[17:41:40] <LordHydronium>	Culator: What, is that phrase set up to notify you? :P
[17:41:47] <Darth_Culator>	Um... No.
[17:42:19] <LordHydronium>	Copying from above (and including the Abel stuff because it's totally cool ;) ):
[17:42:21] <LordHydronium>	[01:32]	<LordHydronium>	So:
[17:42:22] <LordHydronium>	[01:32]	<LordHydronium>	JJM says that he has to be careful when throwing out names and whatnot, and he sometimes wants to correct things that we assume but can't.
[17:42:24] <LordHydronium>	[01:32]	<LordHydronium>	And officially, authors "don't use" Wookieepedia. ;)
[17:42:25] <LordHydronium>	[01:32]	<LordHydronium>	Unofficially...
[17:42:27] <LordHydronium>	[01:33]	<GreenTentacle>	Well, it's gotta be better than the Holocron. :P
[17:42:29] <LordHydronium>	[01:33]	<LordHydronium>	And Abel's a really cool guy. Had dinner and drinks with him.
[17:42:30] <LordHydronium>	[01:33]	<LordHydronium>	Oh yeah, write into Insider and tell them you want more Abel and Joe. Apparently the new editor is wary.
[17:42:32] <LordHydronium>	[01:35]	<GreenTentacle>	Always more Abel!
[17:42:33] <LordHydronium>	[01:35]	<LordHydronium>	Yeah, he was talking about some really cool projects he and Joe had in the works, but that were left behind when Insider switched companies
[17:42:56] <LordHydronium>	JJM also mentioned that there's stuff on there now that's wrong, but it's right as far as we know.
[17:43:08] <Redemption>	Oh goodie...
[17:43:09] <Darth_Culator>	Oh, that's neat.
[17:43:37] <Darth_Culator>	"You're absolutely wrong about this, but then so is everyone in the galaxy. Mwahahaha!"
[17:43:42] <LucidFox>	LordHydronium> yes, he mentioned this phenomenon in his blog back in 2006
[17:43:55] <LucidFox>	"it's wrong, but it's not wrong yet"
[17:43:55] <LordHydronium>	Yeah, I think his comments were fairly similar
[17:44:05] <GreenTentacle>	You should have got him to give you some clues.
[17:44:44] <LucidFox>	So, Fourdot was right about "tits on a bull", eh?
[17:44:58] <LordHydronium>	Well, he had some stuff to say about past KOTORs...
[17:45:04] <LordHydronium>	Like, the text pages were his idea.
[17:45:26] <Redemption>	Text pages?
[17:45:33] <LordHydronium>	The news items
[17:45:37] <Redemption>	Ah
[17:45:40] <LucidFox>	yes, he mentioned that
[17:45:49] <LordHydronium>	And the original Taris Holofeed entry was going to have an article that identified Senator Goravvus and talked about the whole things with companies moving out, but it was cut.
[17:45:58] <LordHydronium>	LF: Well, then I'm useless, aren't I? :P
[17:46:09] <LordHydronium>	And that's why Goravvus' name was added into the TPB.
[17:46:20] <Redemption>	We'll put it into Goravvus article anyway
[17:46:23] <LucidFox>	And mispelled.
[17:46:34] <LucidFox>	Gah.
[17:46:35] <LordHydronium>	Yeah, apparently that's an issue too.
[17:47:06] <Redemption>	The original holofeed meaning the one in Crossroads?
[17:47:19] <LucidFox>	By the way, the KOTOR/Rebellion #0 flipbook was also JJM's idea.
[17:47:22] <LordHydronium>	I guess that was the first one.
[17:48:22] <Darth_Culator>	C4 collectible news for non-WEG-zealot Fleet Funkies: If they were solar panels, and if they provided a significant portion of the interceptor's power, then the Imperial Navy would never allow this. Especially for "elite" fighters: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/grandadmiraljello/C4/IMGP0692.jpg
[17:48:40] <LordHydronium>	Oh yeah, and there was some neat stuff about establishing the characters who wrote the news pages IU.
[17:49:10] <LucidFox>	Also, LordHydronium, if you happen to meet Jan Duursema, ask her to decrease the amount of fanservice in Legacy.
[17:49:17] <LordHydronium>	He basically puts thought into the voice they're written in, and I believe he said we'll learn more about the person who writes the Adjudicator
[17:49:40] <LucidFox>	When I saw Mara's breasts from that angle in #11...
[17:49:45] <LordHydronium>	Are we talking, Talon in a bikini fanservice, or K'kruhk fanservice?
[17:49:53] <LucidFox>	Mara fanservice.
[17:49:54] <LordHydronium>	Ah, the first.
[17:50:02] <LucidFox>	Talon, too...
[17:50:17] <LordHydronium>	I didn't notice Mara's breasts.
[17:51:35] <LordHydronium>	Oh yeah, we're going to get Camper's name soon. I guess that interview you posted suggest that, but he did say it.
[17:51:52] <Redemption>	Hm.
[17:51:53] <LordHydronium>	Technically, he said that we'll have to move the article again (referring to the Camper/Perero thing)
[17:52:08] <Redemption>	True but Camper is what he is mostly known by
[17:52:16] <Redemption>	That is his identity
[17:53:01] <LordHydronium>	And he mentioned that whole aspect too ;)
[17:53:10] <LordHydronium>	In particular, regarding Jarael and her original name
[17:53:42] <LucidFox>	Jarael is probably half-offshoot, half-Nagai :)
[17:54:01] <Redemption>	Ew...hope not
[17:54:22] <LucidFox>	But then, KOTOR Nagai are apparently purple :p
[17:54:44] <Darth_Culator>	It's like the Klingon thing.
[17:54:58] <LucidFox>	the Forehead Issue?
[17:55:10] <Darth_Culator>	Indeed.
[17:55:11] <Darth_Culator>	They all lost their pigment in an embarassing accident.
[17:55:20] <LucidFox>	heh
[17:55:30] <LucidFox>	like the Joker, eh?
[17:55:36] <LordHydronium>	Oh, you remember that big Tsuneo Sanda picture with all the EU characters? DH has a handout identifying them all, which would probably interest some people.
[17:55:45] <LordHydronium>	And a bigger version of it
[17:55:58] <LucidFox>	LordHydronium> can you photo and upload it?
[17:56:32] <LordHydronium>	I can get to my library scanner and some point and upload it.
[17:56:56] <LordHydronium>	Don't have a camera.
[17:57:23] <LucidFox>	ah
[17:58:23] <LordHydronium>	Hm, the ship in Dark Times is spelled "Uhumelé" here
[17:58:51] <LordHydronium>	Ha, "Sian Jeisel"!
[17:59:09] <LordHydronium>	Man, we've done a number on the continuity. :D
[17:59:24] <LordHydronium>	Ooh, new names!
[17:59:36] <LucidFox>	and speaking of the species aesthetics... I have an impression that the KOTOR people were trying to retcon the look of TOTJ Arkanians, which they thought was implausible, but when it backfired, JJM went with the "offshoot" story instead
[17:59:52] <LordHydronium>	He was talking about that too. ;)
[17:59:55] <LucidFox>	really?
[17:59:57] <LucidFox>	so it's true?
[18:00:02] <LordHydronium>	Nope.
[18:00:04] <LucidFox>	gah
[18:00:16] <LucidFox>	what did he say?
[18:00:23] <LordHydronium>	He says that it was planned, and it's one of those things that he couldn't reveal, but wanted to correct people on
[18:00:32] <LucidFox>	ah
[18:01:17] <LordHydronium>	How do you think I should cite this handout?
[18:01:29] <LordHydronium>	We have a name for the Legacy Imperial shuttle
[18:01:30] <LucidFox>	Hmmm.
[18:01:35] <LucidFox>	It's not really verifiable...
[18:01:41] <Darth_Culator>	Bob? I'd call it Bob.
[18:01:48] <LordHydronium>	Nu-class.
[18:01:58] <LordHydronium>	"Nu-class Imperial Shuttle", in full
[18:02:07] <LucidFox>	but http://www.darkhorse.com/news/interviews.php?id=1436 the Dark Horse interview can be "conjectured" to say that :)
[18:02:42] <LucidFox>	"But that's what's fun about it, too. In a way, the fact that our Arkanians didn't look like the Tales of the Jedi Arkanians helped point me in the direction of the story about segregation that we found in #16. I was able to say then to the sharp readers that noticed the difference that, yeah, this one we had an answer to. Unlike the bacta thing."
[18:02:42] <LordHydronium>	Wait, are we talking about the same thing?
[18:02:49] <LucidFox>	ahhh
[18:02:52] <LordHydronium>	Ah.
[18:02:54] <Darth_Culator>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_%28letter%29
[18:03:00] <LucidFox>	you don't mean KOTOR
[18:03:03] <LucidFox>	well
[18:03:05] <Darth_Culator>	Doesn't fit the Lambda model.
[18:03:19] <LordHydronium>	LF: No, I'm referring to the DH handout
[18:03:38] <LucidFox>	just name it "Celebration IV Dark Horse handout {{conjecture}}"
[18:03:41] <LucidFox>	^_^
[18:03:55] <LordHydronium>	"Scythe-class Galactic Alliance Battle Cruiser"
[18:04:05] <GreenTentacle>	http://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Wars-Knights-Republic-Flashpoint/dp/1593077610/ref=pd_bowtega_3/202-8946323-0965413?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1180091009&sr=1-3
[18:04:09] <GreenTentacle>	http://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Wars-Knights-Republic-Flashpoint/dp/1845765249/ref=pd_bowtega_1/202-8946323-0965413?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1180091009&sr=1-1
[18:04:14] <GreenTentacle>	What the fuck?
[18:04:21] <GreenTentacle>	Have they pushed it back to August?
[18:04:27] <LordHydronium>	"Pellaeon-class Imperial Star Destroyer" Interesting, they both have the allegiances in their names, which doesn't seem right.
[18:04:33] <LordHydronium>	It's out in the States, GT
[18:04:52] <LucidFox>	Do we need a CIV subforum?
[18:05:09] <GreenTentacle>	That's it. Amazon.com it is.
[18:05:19] <LordHydronium>	Yeah, I think the "Imperial" and "Galactic Alliance" might be just additional information, not technical parts of the name
[18:05:57] <LucidFox>	I was thinking we could organize a designated place to pour CIV news in
[18:06:43] <LucidFox>	or do we already have one?
[18:06:49] <LordHydronium>	Do we have the Sanda painting on our site?
[18:06:55] <LucidFox>	Sanda painting?
[18:07:13] <LordHydronium>	Tsuneo Sanda.
[18:07:16] <GreenTentacle>	Neverwinter Nights 2: worth getting?
[18:07:18] <LordHydronium>	Did the big EU character montage
[18:07:29] <LucidFox>	GreenTentacle> YES!
[18:07:41] <LucidFox>	If you liked the KOTOR games, definitely
[18:08:11] <GreenTentacle>	Very well. While I'm having a spending spree.
[18:09:16] <LucidFox>	I wrote a few things about it here: http://lucidfox.org/wp/nwn2-review-sort-of
[18:10:09] <LordHydronium>	Jack once again doesn't understand canon: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Imperial_sentinel&curid=22069&diff=1357643&oldid=1357400
[18:10:49] <LucidFox>	"Until you give a source that says it's not true"
[18:11:01] <LucidFox>	Isn't the burden of proof on _him_?
[18:11:18] <LordHydronium>	Yep.
[18:11:28] <LordHydronium>	And I said as much in my revert.
[18:11:42] <LordHydronium>	This could get interesting.
[18:11:50] <LucidFox>	I don't need edit wars.
[18:11:56] <LordHydronium>	I may secretly be delighted at the prospect of Jack trying to add fanon.
[18:12:12] <LordHydronium>	If that's wrong, I don't want to be right.
[18:12:24] <LordHydronium>	Hm, how do I categorize this poster?
[18:12:26] <Redemption>	No, no. It's right.
[18:12:45] <LordHydronium>	It calls itself a "poster", even though it's 11x17.
[18:12:59] <LordHydronium>	So I'm sticking with that.
[18:13:19] <GreenTentacle>	"Wait! Add $12.11 to your order to qualify for FREE Super Saver Shipping."
[18:13:40] <GreenTentacle>	Don't speak too soon, Amazon. I haven't told you where I live yet.
[18:14:12] <LucidFox>	by the way, Jack has reverted 3 times
[18:14:29] <LucidFox>	and 000, too
[18:14:56] <Darth_Culator>	000 is only undoing vandalism. I didn't think that counted.
[18:15:03] <LucidFox>	The 3RR always counts.
[18:15:13] <GreenTentacle>	It's actually still cheaper to get it from the US and pay postage than it would be from the comic shop if and when they ever get it.
[18:15:14] <Darth_Culator>	Bah!
[18:15:21] <LordHydronium>	Is it merchandise if it's free?
[18:15:22] <LucidFox>	They haven't violated it yet.
[18:15:24] <GreenTentacle>	I just hope customs don't charge me import on it.
[18:19:27] <LordHydronium>	Heh, I wonder if the pun in "Nu-class" was intentional
[18:19:33] <LordHydronium>	If so, I just got it.
[18:20:27] <Darth_Culator>	Since it doesn't look like the letter nu, and there's already a mu-class by 4 ABY, and it's 100 years later, I'd say it's intentional.
[18:20:57] <LordHydronium>	Do any of the shuttles besides Lambda look like their counterparts?
[18:22:07] <LordHydronium>	Hey Sikon, can you get Artoo to change all the links to the new shuttle name?
[18:22:26] <LucidFox>	What for?
[18:22:37] <LucidFox>	There will be a redirect
[18:22:43] <LordHydronium>	Wait, I didn't mean the links.
[18:22:46] <LordHydronium>	Maybe I did.
[18:22:56] <LordHydronium>	Never mind, I don't know what I'm talking about
[18:23:12] <LordHydronium>	That would work when changing comic names in sources, which was when I first had the idea
[18:23:20] <LordHydronium>	It doesn't work when it's in the text
[18:24:53] <LordHydronium>	He just can't resist having the last word/edit: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Imperial_sentinel&diff=1357655&oldid=1357652
[18:25:25] <LucidFox>	http://www.earth-alliance.org/Memento/Mai_Otome/01/B49.jpg
[18:26:07] <LucidFox>	It was 2005. The Internet was ubiquitous. How can they _still_ make mistakes like this?
[18:30:24] <LordHydronium>	Does KOTOR ever call the Last Resort just "Last Resort" (that is, no "the")?
[18:30:34] <LordHydronium>	This poster has "The Last Resort" all in italics
[18:30:37] <Redemption>	Don't think so.
[18:31:07] <LordHydronium>	I'm movin' it.
[18:31:07] <GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AUnknown_hooded_Jedi&diff=1357684&oldid=1357376
[18:31:09] <GreenTentacle>	Interesting.
[18:31:18] <Redemption>	Nothing we didn't already know, GT
[18:31:39] <LucidFox>	LordHydronium> Actually, it did
[18:31:43] <Redemption>	I'm sorry but this convention is a real let down. All we are getting is confirmation of information.
[18:31:46] <LordHydronium>	Hmmm...
[18:31:55] <Redemption>	+ that we already had
[18:31:58] <LucidFox>	And whatever the poster says, both the comic and JJM himself
[18:31:59] <LordHydronium>	It's been one day, Red, and not even a full one
[18:32:10] <Redemption>	It's a sign of things to come.
[18:32:16] <LucidFox>	consistently refer to it as "the ''Last Resort''"
[18:32:38] <LucidFox>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AUnknown_hooded_Jedi&diff=1357684&oldid=1357376 <-- whoawhoawhoa
[18:32:46] <LordHydronium>	Not even all the people are here. There hasn't even been a panel. People have just talked to the authors on their onw.
[18:32:48] <LordHydronium>	*own
[18:32:51] <LucidFox>	is that you, H3O+?
[18:32:57] <LordHydronium>	No.
[18:33:27] <LordHydronium>	Self-reverted.
[18:33:28] <GreenTentacle>	I figure it isn't one of the regulars.
[18:33:48] <LordHydronium>	Damn talk page didn't get reverted.
[18:33:55] <LucidFox>	He laughed and said "Ahh the 'Unknown Hooded Jedi' as wookiepedia calls him?" and he joked about how you have an artice called the unknown jedi guy.
[18:33:57] <LucidFox>	^ heh heh
[18:34:01] <GreenTentacle>	Since he said "how you have an artice called the unknown jedi guy".
[18:34:18] <LordHydronium>	He used "he/she" with me :P
[18:34:22] <LucidFox>	lol
[18:34:29] <LucidFox>	when referring to UHJ?
[18:34:55] <LucidFox>	the anon should have shown JJM the "Unidentified blue-armored men" article
[18:35:03] <Darth_Culator>	Heh.
[18:35:05] <LordHydronium>	He's got to be fucking kidding me.
[18:35:07] <LordHydronium>	""My sentinels" may not mean they are his, but it does show the possibility that these sentinels were genetically-modified clones of himself. "
[18:35:28] <Redemption>	I guess he has never had a real job...
[18:35:29] <LordHydronium>	Luke also says he had a dog in the ANH novel. Clearly there's the possibility it could be a clone of him.
[18:35:57] <Darth_Culator>	Heh.
[18:36:15] <LordHydronium>	Jack does love his compromises.
[18:36:16] <GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Yoda&curid=331&diff=1357699&oldid=1357693
[18:36:18] <GreenTentacle>	What?
[18:36:21] <LordHydronium>	Only when he seems to be losing, though.
[18:36:29] <GreenTentacle>	Why would Yoda consider Luke small?
[18:36:47] <LucidFox>	"Also while talking about the "UHJ" he pointed out that the UHJ is actually in the first one (#0 not 1) and showed me where (in the same panel where Squint and Zayne land at the platform"
[18:36:51] <LucidFox>	Eep!!!
[18:37:00] <LordHydronium>	Wasn't that noted already?
[18:37:08] <LordHydronium>	I think someone on TFN mentioned it
[18:38:05] <LordHydronium>	Hm, we don't have it.
[18:38:17] <Redemption>	Now we do
[18:38:32] <LucidFox>	well, that panel does show the Covenant Masters talking to some robed figure
[18:38:39] <LucidFox>	but is it really _the_ UHJ?
[18:39:00] <Redemption>	Apparently to JJM, it is
[18:39:21] <LucidFox>	well, if JJM says that, then indeed
[18:41:14] <LucidFox>	So, perhaps _that_ was the last time the UHJ met Lucien?
[18:41:28] <LucidFox>	(they mention meeting prior to #9)
[18:45:31] <LordHydronium>	OK, I need some sleep if I want to be even half-alive tomorrow
[18:45:34] <LordHydronium>	Night all

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