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It is said in Wookieepedia that to become a Jedi Master one must train a padawan and they must pass the jedi trials becoming a Jedi Knight before the teacher can become a Master.
Should a Jedi Knight who is training a Paddawan lose their padawan in battle (ie they die) Would the Jedi Knight be able to become a Jedi Master.
Would the Jedi Knight have to start over and retrain another padawan to knight level before they became a Jedi Master.
It depends on what level of rank the padawan is. Maybe in battle the padawan made some heroic feat that would make the knight a master. Jedi_unleashed
I don't think it would be, and I think (my interpretation of it) it is because the underlying circumstance in becoming a Jedi Master is the part where it says "It is reserved for those who have shown exceptional devotion and skill in the Force." The "Jedi Master" page also lists Saesee Tin as an exception to this rule. I don't think you necessarily have to train and bring a Padawan in to Knighthood for this to be true. However, training a Padawan and bringing him or her in to the role of Jedi Knight DOES take exceptional devotion and skill in the Force. You need those underlying qualities in order to train a person to accomplish such a thing, however you can still have them and be in a situation where you happen to not have a successful Padawan. Anakin Skywalker was such a person, but his problem was that he was devoted and skillful in the ways of the Force for the wrong reasons, and he also had certain traits that were unbecoming of a model Jedi, so it would have been wrong to make an example of him by promiting him to Master. Qui-Gon is another good example. Was he less talented in the ways of the Force because his Padawan Xanatos became corrupted by the Dark Side? In my opinion, no. Time and time again the relationship between a Padawan and a Master has been proven to be a learning experience for BOTH the Master and the Apprentice. So, when a Padawan attains Knighthood through the teachings of their Master, it reflects positively on the Master. However, in many cases when you study about fallen/failed Padawans, much of the time the Master was able to do very little to prevent these things. So, it may not necessarily reflect negatively on the Master when this happens. My overall point is that I don't think that it was a "requirement" per say that a Knight must bring a Padawan in to Knighthood for him to become a Jedi Master, but that it was something that was looked highly upon; think of it as something to put on a job resume.
another good example of this rule/standard would be Shaak Ti. Though she did train several students, the council eventually looked down upon her training more padawans because of the result of her type of training. So though they didn't agree with the end result of her type of training, no one doubted her skill or devotion to the force. Thus, she might not of been allowed any more padawans, but she was most certainly a Jedi Master.
I think that training a Padawan was a good way to show the other requirements of becoming a Master. Kyp 01:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)