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(Since I'm a new member, I can't link to the tweets that I need to reference here so you'll have to add the "twitter.com" part to the beginning of these URLs.)
The years for every "Timeline" page for canon material uses an incorrect base year 0 that comes from confusion caused by this Leland Chee tweet: /HolocronKeeper/status/495972415458250752
A few days later, he sent out these tweets that clearly state that the Battle of Yavin is still considered year 0 (not The Phantom Menace) and the previous tweet was only intended to show the span between movies/shows: /HolocronKeeper/status/497227141915082752 /HolocronKeeper/status/497744892207316992
Hi Theymightbegeeks, welcome to Wookieepedia! Just letting you know when you leave comments, sign the end with 4 tildes (~~~~). This lets us know who said what and when they said it, have a look at the end of this comment to see how it comes out :). As to the question, from my admittedly limited understanding, ABY and BBY are not used for Canon articles because whilst Leland's comment, telling us year 0 is Ep IV, it doesn't indicate that the battle of yavin is the signifying point, which ABY/BBY signify (after/before the battle of yavin). As such we can't use ABY/BBY for canon articles. I believe we don't use basic positive/negative numbers, without ABY/BBY, because it would just cause confusion - if someone sees "year 5", it holds no real meaning. At any rate, I'm sure someone more learned than myself may explain more eloquently and accurately. :) Manoof (talk) 09:39, May 15, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Manoof. I see how "technically" that would be the case (only in the wiki world of ultra-accuracy) but:
1) There's no other definitive method. 2) There may not be a definitive method for a long time, if ever. 3) If a definitive method is used, it's incredibly likely that ABY/BBY will be it. 4) It's the timeline everyone else is using when referencing events. 5) It's the one that was used before. 6) TPM as year 0 is just as wrong, if not more (based on "0-36 are not new official timeline years." in the last tweet above), than ABY/BBY. Whether it's "Year 5", "Year +5", "5 ABY", or anything else doesn't matter, the fact is, it's definitely not "37". 7) Leland already said "We'll still use timelines that mark Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope as Year 0." so some form of +/- has to be used whether it's confusing or not because it's official.
EDIT: I found the following new info that should clear it up without a doubt. 8) This tweet from the official Star Wars Twitter account mentions one of the Rebels episodes as being "4 BBY". I think that's a definitive answer. starwars/status/584034714563973120 Theymightbegeeks (talk) 01:54, May 16, 2015 (UTC)
If you read further into that, you'll see how we tweeted a link from the Wookieepedia Twitter account where Leland says that BBY/ABY are not canon years. The way that Leland does it, he uses an out of universe system and that's his recommended approach. He has also said that it doesn't really matter whether we go by Episode I, Episode IV, or whatever else we want to do. We can use whatever system we want. The StarWars.com team (which runs their Twitter account) was using 4 BBY simply as an easy frame of reference. It does not re-canonize BBY/ABY or endorse one system over another. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 04:40, May 16, 2015 (UTC)
I'm not seeing that. Either way, TPM as year 0 is NOT canon so why is it being used? If Wookieepedia is going to use a temporary timeline, why not ABY/BBY?
Because we're using an out-of-universe system, not an in-universe one (BBY/ABY is in-universe in Legends). Out-of-universe is also Leland's preferredmethod. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 04:55, May 16, 2015 (UTC)
That still doesn't explain why TPM is a better year 0 than ANH. I've not came across anyone else that thinks that's a good idea. What are you going to do when a book or comic takes place before TPM?
Cross that bridge when we get there, most likely. But keep in mind - you're literally talking about one type of page. All in-universe pages use Yavin as a point of reference. But because the timeline pages go in order, and they currently start with Episode I as the earliest chronological story, Episode I makes sense for those pages. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 04:59, May 16, 2015 (UTC)
That partially proves my point. If all other pages use Yavin as a reference point, why not the timelines? It makes it very confusing when cross-referencing media. One place will be "5 years before ANH" and another place just says "27". So why don't the timelines say "5 years before ANH"? You can use ABY/BBY and call it an out-of-universe system too, it's just makes much more sense.