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OK, so recently, Zakor1138 added an update tag to the article Hallowe'en, based on the appearance of the holiday Halloween in Clone Wars Adventures, the online game. I've been trying to figure out in what capacity the holiday appeared in the game, and I finally found this page, that details pretty succinctly how the designers integrated Halloween into Star Wars. However, the, well, silliness of everything has me wondering a few things, and I was hoping folks here might weigh in.
First off, is Clone Wars Adventures canon? Or is it supposed to be in some sort of weird Mario Party-type alternate universe?
If the game is non-canon, does that mean I should just update the Ewok holiday's article's BTS section?
Or, assuming it is canon, should we privilege the newer spelling and move the page (the Ewoks use an apostrophe, the Clone Wars do not).
Thanks for any help on this! ~Savage 21:55, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
I always figured that Adventures is just a non-canon game that was made just for fun (if you can call it that). But is there an actual post or anything where Chee confirms this?--Cal Jedi(Personal Comm Channel) 21:59, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
We've never been given any indication that Clone Wars Adventures is non-canon. However, I would express some hesitancy with treating the game's "Halloween" theme as canon, just because there isn't an in-universe explanation provided in the game. I would say that the article is fine as it is. Perhaps just mention that Clone Wars Adventures featured Halloween-themed activities, if any, because those activities were mainly for the OOU players, not any in-universe storyline. CC7567(talk) 22:03, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
+1. From what I've seen in the game, the term "Halloween" seems to always refer to the real-life event, not the in-universe Ewok festival. I'd mention it in the BtS section, along with the Galactic Moon Festival maybe. But since there are carved pumpkins everywhere in the Jedi temple in CWA, maybe we could mention it as a possible appearance in Sith O' Lantern? --Craven 21:38, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know which parts of CWA are in-universe and which are out? ~Savage 23:20, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
Given that there doesn't seem to have been any official guidance as to which parts of "Clone Wars Adventures" are canon, I don't think that we can presume that any parts of it are out-of-universe, regardless of how ridiculous they are. However, the articles that you have cited above are seemingly not intended to be canon, so this may be a good situation in which to make use of the "ambig" and "ambigstart" templates. --Jinzler 09:17, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
The problem is that there are many elements that can easily be treated as canon, while others seem so silly that I really wouldn't consider them canon. The Clone Nutcracker Trooper for example really doesn't look like it's canon, at least I don't think that there are really such troopers in the Grand Army. I'd say that most of the in-game events that are based on real-life events like 4th of July, Thanksgiving, Halloween, etc.. are most likely non-canon, as the in-game stuff about those events almost always refers to the real-life events. Stuff from the Life Day event on the other hand could be canon. --Craven 23:01, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
I appreciate what you are saying, but it is not up to us to assume what is and what isn't canon. As Clone Wars Adventures has not been explicitly stated as being non-canon, we have no basis on which to question its canon status, and any partitioning of it by us into "canon" and "non-canon" parts would be subjective, so we should therefore treat it all as canon. If canon is silly then that is not our fault, we just have to put up with it and give an explanation in the "Behind the scenes" section. As I stated above, use of the "ambig" templates is all that we can do until we recieve some official clarification.--Jinzler 10:43, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
OK, so it looks like the game events and silly items are all canon unless we're told otherwise. But here is the crucial bit: Is the word "Halloween" ever written or uttered in the game? If so, then it means that Halloween is a broader holiday that is celebrated by more than just the Ewoks. If the word "Halloween" is only ever used in an out-of-universe context, like on the blog, and never used in the game itself, then it simply means I need to update the Hallowe'en BTS to say that these things were available in the game (with no apparent in-universe explanation). Does anyone know? Was there a mention of Halloween in-game? ~Savage 16:13, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
Nevermind, I appears the word "Halloween" was used in-universe, in the "Halloween Decorations Pack I" and "Halloween Decorations Pack II." That makes things more complicated indeed. ~Savage 19:44, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
Just to add a little grist to the mill, there's also Wakemeet. jSarek 11:13, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
Where could those decorations packs be found? In the temple or just in the shop/gear menu? If they appeared in the temple, it would be interesting whether similar stuff from other real-life events (4th of July, Valentine's Day, etc..) also appeared there, mixing in-universe with out-of-universe stuff. --Craven 20:59, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
Apparently, the Jedi Temple was decorated with spiderwebs and jack-o-lanterns, so no idea what that means. ~Savage 22:49, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I've seen the temple during the Halloween time myself. I had logged into the game during that time, though not for long. It seems I even got one of those decoration packs, but I don't know how that happened. I don't remember clicking on anything like that anywhere in the temple. So I'm still not sure whether "Halloween" actually appeared as a in-universe term. --Craven 00:24, December 14, 2011 (UTC)