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I made a topic like this a while ago, but it didn't get many replies and dropped off the board. I made it again because I think this is an important issue (and because I love the Cantina aliens and want accurate articles on them). If this isn't allowed, just delete this.

The identities of some of the aliens in the Cantina scene in A New Hope are ambiguous, and I am concerned that this wiki may not reflect the most accurate information on them. There are places where sources like the card game, the roll-call on the official site, and information from Leland Chee contradict each other. The cases I am referring to are...

Lutrillians: There were two Lutrillians in the ANH cantina, as seen here, and for the purpose of this post I will refer to them as "Colonel Ascot" and "Colonel Jacket." One of these two is apparently Solomahal, but, irritatingly, the only Lutrillian explicitly identified as Solomahal (by both the card game and the roll-call) is the scarf-wearing Lutrillian from the Holiday Special. The Solomahal card from the Jedi Knight CCG shows him wearing a jacket, but the lighting on the card is too dim to really make out if it's exactly Colonel Jacket's jacket. In addition, Veekhoven based his story of Tzizvvt on a shot of Tzizvvt and Colonel Jacket sitting together, implying that, at least as far as authorial intent is concerned, Colonel Jacket is Solomahal. Colonel Jacket's mask also has wider eyes than Colonel Ascot's, and they match the eyes of HS Solomahal, implying that was the mask that was used. As you can see, the overwhelming body of evidence suggests Colonel Jacket is Solomahal (and indeed we identify him as Solomahal at Tzizvvt's article), but it's all still unofficial, isn't it?

Nimbanese: What seems to have happened here is that Decipher used pictures of the same suit to represent two different characters: Tawss Khaa and Mosep Binneed. Normally, this wouldn't really be a problem, except that Decipher used a picture of the Docking Bay 94 Nimbanel for Tawss (whom we currently claim was that Nimbanel), and the roll-call identifies that one as Mosep. I'm not sure which takes precedence here.

Hooded guys: This mustached fellow may or may not be Trinto Duaba. Leland says this is Trinto with a mustache, though I don't know whether that means that he considers this to be Trinto or whether he just thinks they re-used the mask. Attention should also be payed to the roll-call, which, listing the Cantina denizens in order of appearance, lists Trinto where this guy would be.

Snivvians: Saved the most confusing for last, gentlebeings! The photo I linked to in the Lutrillian section shows there were two Snivvians in the cantina, one balding and one with more hair. That photo and this one, taken together, indicates they both had hunchbacks. The roll-call identifies the one with more hair and an ascot as Takeel, which is corroborated by the action figure of Takeel. The one with less hair is seen, if I recall correctly, reacting to Han's shot, and he's wearing either green or orange (can't tell in the lighting). Decipher used this one for their "Zutton" card (though interestingly airbrushed in more hair for him). So, we've identified each Snivvian with a name. Where's the contradiction? Well, that comes when you take the Snivvian from the Holiday Special into consideration. According to the roll-call, this was the character the vintage action figure was based on, and was named "Zutmore," which "later became Zutton." The POTJ figure also calls this character Zutton. Meanwhile, Decipher used "Zutmore" as the photo for its card Rachalt Hyst, and Leland says that this is the correct name (though in the same blog post he said that Wooof and Klaatu were the same character). Confused yet?

There's also a more minor contradiction on the roll-call with Ithorians, as the mugshot used for Momaw Nadon is the Ithorian from the Holiday Special, which Decipher identified as Deneb Both.

So, I'm interested in hearing opinions. Flame Deity 05:27, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

• I'm no expert, but I think we can safely say that the moustachioed man isn't Trinto, by virtue of the simple fact that they're sitting at different tables. Clicking on Trinto at the role-call reveals that he's sitting at Momaw Nadon's table, while the mustache-man sits with Bom Vindin, Brainiac, the Defel, and Hem Dazon. I don't think that we should put any stock in the order that the aliens are listed on the role-call --- Lak Sivrak is randomly inserted into the middle of the aforementioned table, even though he's sitting with Dice. Menkooroo 05:50, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
  • Lak is listed there because he and Arliel have the same entry as fellow "wolfmen," and Arliel is sitting at the first table. Flame Deity 06:13, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
    • Regardless, Trinto and Mustache Man are sitting at different tables. If the author of Cantina Role-call intended to place the characters by order of appearance, he probably just conflated the two characters. Menkooroo 07:07, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
      • ...or Trinto crossed the room to chat with Momaw. Rod 23:07, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
        • And grew a mustache? jSarek 06:43, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
          • I'm not saying it makes sense either, but Pablo seems to think that's Trinto... Rod 23:49, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
• So, any comments on the other aliens, apart from Trinto and not-Trinto? Rod 00:35, August 18, 2011 (UTC)