Forums > Senate Hall > SH:Information coming from a script

The community has recently decided to not take social media posts expressing authorial intent into account. What about things that come directly from a comic script, though? As you know, it often happens that the name of a character or object is never actually mentioned in the production proper, appearing only in the script. If an author says in a tweet: "In my script, this character is named...", shouldn't that be considered valid? After all, scripts are validated by Lucasfilm. (Truth to be told, we've already done that in the past: Venk's name is only known because Jordan D. White revealed it's in the script, and "Tadd Marteens" is known because Landry Q. Walker told us. I just want to make sure we're all in agreement here. Lelal Mekha The Uprising crest (Audience Room) 08:18, June 10, 2018 (UTC)

  • For me Venk is the only article that its justified to follow this rule, per the comments section of the Social media CT. In the tweet from Landry Q. Walker there's no mention of script, so I would say that there's no confirmation that Tadd and Jaahn Liddle were named in the script or if the backstory mentioned by Landry's tweets are canon. Its like the situation I mentioned in my comment on the CT which got the answer that authorial intent is not canon. If a subject is named in the script we should first verify if there was a reason on why it wasn't on the comic, if it was just because there was not need to mention the character's name then it should be safe to add the information.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 09:12, June 10, 2018 (UTC)
    • Most of the time, when a name appearing in a script does not show up in the product, it's simply because it wasn't "necessary" for the story to work. But let's see things that way: take "Off the Rails," for example. This story features a party of three card players who are not just background characters, but actual protagonists alongside Lando. If it turns out that Jeremy Barlow did give them names in the script, wouldn't it be better to use them rather than "Unidentified bird-like woman," "Unidentified reptilian card player" and "Unidentified chubby human in a uniform with epaulets?" Lelal Mekha The Uprising crest (Audience Room) 09:25, June 10, 2018 (UTC)
      • As long as it definitely came from the script it should be okay to be made. Looking through the thread Venk was able to be kept because the character was named in the script, meaning Jordan White's post wasn't an independent source for the characters name compared with other pages being made solely off Leland Chee's tweet about species etc being the same --Lewisr (talk) 11:35, June 10, 2018 (UTC)
      • As far the author confirms that it was on the script it would be ok, otherwise like Tadd and Jaahn it would be authorial intent since there's not confirmation that it was on the script--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 17:54, June 10, 2018 (UTC)
        • This feels speculative to me. Do we know that the Story Group considers unpublished but script-supplied names to be set in stone, or do such names merely act as placeholders that are subject to change in later publications? Asithol (talk) 17:20, June 19, 2018 (UTC)
          • Oh, come on! would you rather go for slews of "unidentifieds?" --Lelal Mekha The Uprising crest (Audience Room) 17:53, June 19, 2018 (UTC)
            • I would rather document only what we know to be true. If the Story Group considers unpublished names from scripts to be canon, that's good enough for me. If we don't know that they do, it's not our place to make that presumption. Not presenting speculation as fact is longstanding policy with wide consensus. (Anyone concerned about the "slews of 'unidentifieds'" should probably start a campaign to trash-compact the hundreds of unidentified non-notable characters cluttering this wiki.) Asithol (talk) 19:33, June 19, 2018 (UTC)
              • Agreed, we shouldn't make any assumptions. So far script names are accepted to have an article created, but you need confirmation that the script indeed had that name on it, not a tweet from the author just saying the name. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 19:39, June 19, 2018 (UTC)
              • Yeah, we'll ask the Story Group on Twitter, right? And they probably won't answer. And if they do answer, we won't be able to use that answer because of some policy. We have gone completely mad following the letter of the law to the detriment of the spirit in which it was written. An example? Story Group members have said REPEATEDLY that they use the same map as in Legends. They've also said REPEATEDLY that species, droids and ship names remain unchanged until we're told otherwise (last occurrence is here. What did we choose to do with those statements? Ignore them. Because of policies. Because we care more about our precious bureaucracy than chronicling lore. We've turned into a bunch of paper-pushers. Policies are supposed to help prevent excesses, not impede our work! --Lelal Mekha The Uprising crest (Audience Room) 19:44, June 19, 2018 (UTC)
                • You don't like it, that's fine, but those tweet the "We use the same name for species, etc" was used in the same CT that created the policy. You are free to create those articles, of course indicating in the BTS that the author named it in social media. You can ask the SG about the script names if they considered them as true, that can be used to confirm known information. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 19:52, June 19, 2018 (UTC)