I apologize if this has already been asked and answered but I had a question regarding the Clone Wars TV series and where it falls in the new continuity. I was under the impression that the show and the movie were part of the new Disney Canon. Both the Canon article and Legends articles say so. However, I've noticed that a lot of pages still contain events and images from the TV show under the Legends tab. Also the TV show is still listed as a source and in the references sections in those articles. I was just wondering if that was because those pages just hadn't been fixed yet, or if there was some confusion as to what was considered Canon and what was considered Legends. Thanks for any explanation. Tarvin Calaan (talk) 02:00, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- Check out this thread. It will probably answer your questions. <-Omicron(Leave a message at the BEEP!) 02:11, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- I'm afraid that doesn't really answer it. I understand the difference between the new Canon and Legends. It just appears to me that the articles about topics which appear in the Clone Wars TV show/movie seem to have information under the wrong tab. Unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with the series to change it myself, especially considering that the novels, comics, etc. are still, I believe, considered Legends. Therefore some of the stuff in the TV show might be Legends if it also appeared in the comics or novels. Like I said, I just don't know enough about it to know which one the information in the article came from; the TV show/movie or the comics/novels/video games. At the very least, if the TV show and movie are now considered canon, shouldn't pictures, sources and references from them be removed from the Legends tab? Tarvin Calaan (talk) 02:28, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- TCW kind of walks a weird line where it's counted as both Canon and Legends. We count it as Legends because it was released while Legends was still going on and some Legends material refers to TCW (for example, the novel Apocalypse incorporating Mortis stuff)—but it's also still Canon. IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 02:33, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- To explain it another way, the Expanded Universe stories operate on the basis of the six Star Wars films and The Clone Wars series and film. These EU stories, although now non-canon, cannot be properly told without the frame of reference that the films and TCW provide, so we treat the films and TCW as applying to both Canon and Legends now. This is not a formal Lucasfilm decree but is rather our own internal system, because it's really the only way to handle it. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 02:37, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- Ok, so basically it will be treated the same way as the original 6 films? That's fine I guess. The Continuity section in the Star Wars: The Clone Wars (TV series) article gave me the impression that only the comics/novels/video games would be treated as Legends. If the consensus on Wookieepedia is to treat the TV show as belonging to both continuities than I won't whine about it. Like you said Toprawa and Ralltiir, it came out before the split. In my opinion however, only TCW material that appears in the novels/comics/video games/etc. or is referenced by other Legends works such as the Fate of the Jedi stuff that you mentioned, should be treated as Legends material. From what I understand, the novels and comics covered most of it anyway, so not all that much would need to be changed. I think pictures from the show as well as Sources and References from the show should be removed from the Legends tabs. I know this would probably be a major pain, but for the sake of consistency wouldn't it be the right thing to do? Tarvin Calaan (talk) 02:53, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- Site consensus disagrees with you. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 02:55, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- I just think its a bit inconsistent. In the past if the Star Wars officialdom said something was canon or non-canon we treated it as such. Now Star Wars is saying TCW is canon and we here on Wookieepedia are basically saying, "Nope, we still think its part of the Legends continuity. So there." I don't think that's the Wookieepedia way haha. But like you said, if that's the consensus here, than so be it. It would be a lot of work to fix I imagine. Tarvin Calaan (talk) 03:04, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- With all due respect, you don't seem to get the point here: it's not that TCW is Legends per se, it's just that part of the later Legends stories and works directly reference it/are built around it. What if we applied your reasoning to the movies? Should we remove every bit of movie information from the Legends articles? Of course not. --Lelal Mekha (Audience Room) 09:31, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- While I agree that it's kind of confusing for TCW etc. to belong to both continuities, it's just impossible not to consider the six movies and TCW (movie+series) Legends as well. A huge deal of Legends material ties into Canon in one way or another. 1358 (Talk) 09:52, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- I agree. It doesn't make sense to remove every bit of movie info from the Legends articles because all of that info is still true within Legends. Within that continuity, it's true that Luke Skywalker married a woman named Jade, but it's also true that he lived on the planet of Tatooine and joined the Rebellion, destroyed a Death Star and overthrew an Emperor. But in canon, all of that is also true, except for him marrying a woman named Jade. As for the information in the Star Wars: The Clone Wars article regarding how things are being handled now, well, I wrote most of that. I suppose if you think it's too confusing, I can go in and have another look at it, but most of it relates to how things are being handled now in relation to Disney and Lucasfilm, not how we operate things on the site. ProfessorTofty (talk) 14:21, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- No no, I didn't think they were written confusingly. I just wasn't sure if we were treating the TV show in its entirety as Legends that's all. I have my answer. To be honest I have nothing against TCW. My only real motivation in wanting it removed from the Legends tabs is that it might clear up some of the continuity errors between it and the original Clone Wars multimedia project as well as a few other EU sources. That said, if the comics and novels cover the same events anyways then my point point is kinda moot because the continuity errors would be there anyways. Also your points about the Movies are well taken. It was just a thought. Thanks for the clarity. Tarvin Calaan (talk) 15:24, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- I agree. It doesn't make sense to remove every bit of movie info from the Legends articles because all of that info is still true within Legends. Within that continuity, it's true that Luke Skywalker married a woman named Jade, but it's also true that he lived on the planet of Tatooine and joined the Rebellion, destroyed a Death Star and overthrew an Emperor. But in canon, all of that is also true, except for him marrying a woman named Jade. As for the information in the Star Wars: The Clone Wars article regarding how things are being handled now, well, I wrote most of that. I suppose if you think it's too confusing, I can go in and have another look at it, but most of it relates to how things are being handled now in relation to Disney and Lucasfilm, not how we operate things on the site. ProfessorTofty (talk) 14:21, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- While I agree that it's kind of confusing for TCW etc. to belong to both continuities, it's just impossible not to consider the six movies and TCW (movie+series) Legends as well. A huge deal of Legends material ties into Canon in one way or another. 1358 (Talk) 09:52, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- With all due respect, you don't seem to get the point here: it's not that TCW is Legends per se, it's just that part of the later Legends stories and works directly reference it/are built around it. What if we applied your reasoning to the movies? Should we remove every bit of movie information from the Legends articles? Of course not. --Lelal Mekha (Audience Room) 09:31, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- I just think its a bit inconsistent. In the past if the Star Wars officialdom said something was canon or non-canon we treated it as such. Now Star Wars is saying TCW is canon and we here on Wookieepedia are basically saying, "Nope, we still think its part of the Legends continuity. So there." I don't think that's the Wookieepedia way haha. But like you said, if that's the consensus here, than so be it. It would be a lot of work to fix I imagine. Tarvin Calaan (talk) 03:04, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- Site consensus disagrees with you. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 02:55, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- Ok, so basically it will be treated the same way as the original 6 films? That's fine I guess. The Continuity section in the Star Wars: The Clone Wars (TV series) article gave me the impression that only the comics/novels/video games would be treated as Legends. If the consensus on Wookieepedia is to treat the TV show as belonging to both continuities than I won't whine about it. Like you said Toprawa and Ralltiir, it came out before the split. In my opinion however, only TCW material that appears in the novels/comics/video games/etc. or is referenced by other Legends works such as the Fate of the Jedi stuff that you mentioned, should be treated as Legends material. From what I understand, the novels and comics covered most of it anyway, so not all that much would need to be changed. I think pictures from the show as well as Sources and References from the show should be removed from the Legends tabs. I know this would probably be a major pain, but for the sake of consistency wouldn't it be the right thing to do? Tarvin Calaan (talk) 02:53, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
- I'm afraid that doesn't really answer it. I understand the difference between the new Canon and Legends. It just appears to me that the articles about topics which appear in the Clone Wars TV show/movie seem to have information under the wrong tab. Unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with the series to change it myself, especially considering that the novels, comics, etc. are still, I believe, considered Legends. Therefore some of the stuff in the TV show might be Legends if it also appeared in the comics or novels. Like I said, I just don't know enough about it to know which one the information in the article came from; the TV show/movie or the comics/novels/video games. At the very least, if the TV show and movie are now considered canon, shouldn't pictures, sources and references from them be removed from the Legends tab? Tarvin Calaan (talk) 02:28, October 10, 2014 (UTC)