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As a fan of everything Star Wars I have arrived at the idea that not everything Star Wars can be cherished. The Clone Wars t.v. series has abolished many ideas set up in years previous to the show's release. For example, Jedi Master Even Piell was originally killed in the first book of the Coruscant Nights tetralogy. That book was released in June of 2008. In early 2011, Even Piell was killed off in The Clone Wars series, transforming the ideas of a book into non-canon. Not only that, but this series has also provided a completely different view of Mandalorian society, a view which makes no sense compared to knowledge known for years. Another thing that has angered me about this cartoon, the book Imperial Commando 2 was cancelled because it would conflict with this series. This would leave fans on the edge of their seat. My final question to come out of this series is the appearance of Ahsoka Tano. Once a Jedi Knight trains a Padawan through the trials, that Knight is elevated to the rank of Master. In episode 3, Anakin is still a Knight, so what happens with Ahsoka? —Unsigned comment by Starwarsmaster93 (talk • contribs).

Nobody here knows. Master Jon ^{Jedi Council Chambers} Sunday, January 15, 2012, 16:48 UTC

• Your points beg an important question: how much has really changed? Mandalorian society has been neatly retconned in The Essential Atlas, typically a Jedi needs to have trained multiple apprentices to become a Master (Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were exceptions), so even if Ahsoka became a Knight, he still might not be eligible, and Imperial Commando 2 was cancelled for many many reasons, The Clone Wars being but one of them. Piell's death is one good example of something that they broke, but it can easily be fixed/retconned, and we can have faith that Leland Chee and Dave Filoni will do it, especially once the show is over. Differences between the Citadel Trilogy and Shipyards of Doom, as well as between the Slaves of the Republic trilogy and comics will also need rectifying, but we can have faith that the people in the know will provide, in time. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith ^{-Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!-} 14:48, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

A comment on the state of affairsEdit

OPENING DISCLAIMER: While prompted by the OP's comments, the comments below are in no way intended as a specific attack on any one individual. This, rather, is a comment more on the general state of fandom with regards to The Clone Wars.

To be frank, I'm completely and utterly sick of the amount of whining to come out of the Star Wars community regarding The Clone Wars. Rule NUMBER ONE about the Star Wars universe: it's George Lucas's universe, and he can do whatever he likes with it. In the grand scheme of things, EU writers are nothing more than licensees who have been granted the high privilege of playing with GL's toys. If he decides he doesn't want Writer X to have control over it anymore because he wants to play with it, then tough s--t. They're his toys and this is what Writer X signed up for when they got on board.

This is doubly true for us on the fan level, who have no say in the writing of canon. If god himself cracks open the sky to say "hey, Subject Y is going to look like this now," it doesn't matter what Preacher Joe says to the contrary. 'Subject Y looking like this now' is the reality of things, no matter how much anyone stamps their feet and moans to the contrary.

This is why we, as both Star Wars fans and Wookieepedians, live and die by a strict hierarchy of canon. With G- and T-canon at the top of the pyramid, as effective word-of-god for the SW universe, we don't have canon contradictions, nor does G- or T-canon ever violate canon. All we have is a state of affairs in which old sources are incorrect and require retconning.

This is not something to whine and be upset over, nor is it anything new. With dozens and dozens of authors involved in the EU since 1978 (34 years ago), contradictions whether possible or in-fact have always been both potentiality and reality. Dozens of writers means dozens of different perspectives and interpretations of events that may or may not have been the intention of either George Lucas or other EU writers.

As to Karen Traviss, I simply have to say "good riddance." As much as I enjoyed the Republic Commando series, and am still enjoying her work in the Gears of War universe, her exit from Star Wars was immature at best and downright petulant at worst. She knew very well everything I've elaborated on above, and rather than either live with the circumstances of what she had signed on for, or just to simply wait until the Mandalorian issues were resolved--which DID happen in the long run, just as everyone else knew it would be--she chose to have a tantrum and walk out. Besides being a deep disservice to the fans who lined her pockets by buying her Star Wars books, this was also staggeringly unprofessional.

Now, to The Clone Wars itself: nobody, least of all EU writers, can say with a straight face that they couldn't see this coming. Lucas is a VFX man, always has been. Whether referring to his 2002 announcement of intent to make an animated series, or the 2005 announcement that they were planning a 3D continuation of said series, or even just basic logical reasoning, anybody and everybody should have known that the Clone Wars were just waiting to be portrayed in official media. In all bluntness, whining about TCW is like swimming in gasoline next to an open flame, and then being indignant when you're lit on fire. If you (the general "you", not referring to anybody in specific here) didn't see this coming, you probably deserve that stinging slap on the back of the head that you're feeling like you got.

One final point here: length of time. The Clone Wars, specifically, has been known about since 2005--seven years now. And it's been releasing material since 2008--four years now. Whether you agree or disagree with any or all of the above, it's time to stop acting shocked and/or using excessive punctuation whenever something doesn't go precisely the way you'd prefer it had. This is the way things are, and this is how they've been for 4-7 years. It's long since past time when anyone can feign surprise over anything about the series.

Put succinctly: deal with it.

-- DigiFluid 21:17, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

• I like to say this for anyone who's willing to contribute here—please keep in mind of WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. This note isn't pointed at anyone specific. Thank you, JangFett ^(Talk) 21:36, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
  • As a cautionary note to any users who want to continue this discussion: please note that this thread is veering sharply off-topic. The Senate Hall is for discussion about how to address specific canonical conflicts on Wookieepedia, not for expressing views about Star Wars, which is increasingly becoming the focus here. I urge everyone to please stay on topic to the Senate Hall, as otherwise this thread will be subject to deletion. It is fine to not like The Clone Wars, but please maintain a level of respect if not for the show, then for those whose opinions are different than yours. CC7567 ^(talk) 21:39, January 16, 2012 (UTC)