This page is an archive of a community-wide discussion. This page is no longer live. Further comments or questions on this topic should be made in a new Senate Hall page rather than here so that this page is preserved as a historic record. Advanced Jedi Training Droid 6(Talk to my master) 00:36, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
Hey everyone. First let me just say that it was suggested by Grunny that I post this thread here in the Senate Hall. If there is a more appropriate place, please feel free to move it.
As some of you know, one of the wikis where I’m an admin is Star Wars Fanpedia, which I founded in August 2008 and is now an Official Friend of Wookieepedia. The idea behind Fanpedia was that it was the fan-version of Wookieepedia, meaning that it was an encyclopedia of fandom information. Unlike Star Wars Fanon, where you can post all of your character, story, etc. concepts without any sort of verification (since it’s from your imagination), Fanpedia was to be an encyclopedia where you could post verified and sourced information about fan fic stories, fan films, fan websites, fan groups, fan events, and anything else related to Star Wars fandom. The Official Friendship between Wookieepedia and Fanpedia grew because Fanpedia enabled Wookieepedia to be able to delete many of its fan-based articles without those articles being lost forever, because they could be exported to Fanpedia.
Unfortunately, the idea never really took off. What I’ve found over the last few years is that the wiki is perceived as another Star Wars Fanon, with most new articles being fanon rather than fan-based encyclopedic content. Because of that, Grunny (the wiki’s other primary admin) and I never really knew what to do with it anymore, so we said we’d wait for a new idea for the wiki to come along and, if it was good, go with that. We now have that new idea!
With Star Wars Episode VII and all sorts of new Star Wars films and projects on the horizon, there isn’t a wiki where fans can discuss news, speculation, rumors, and ideas for the projects. Star Wars Fanon deals with only fan creations, and Wookieepedia is about documenting fact and not discussing news, speculation, and so forth. That’s an area that Fanpedia can fill. What I’ll be working on is moving Fanpedia in the direction of becoming a place where fans can discuss the upcoming Star Wars projects, including official news, speculation, rumor, and so forth, and fans can even discuss their ideas for the projects.
To accomplish this, I will be working with Brian Linder. Brian is an Entertainment Programming Manager at Wikia, one of the founding members of TheForce.Net, and a huge lifelong Star Wars fan. Working with Brian will enable the new focus of Fanpedia to be built with the help of Wikia resources, which can be used to help the wiki reach a wider audience of Star Wars fans and get unique content about Episode VII and beyond.
There are three primary reasons why I wanted to talk to you all about this:
There will be content based on Episode VII and the other upcoming projects, but to a limited extent. The reason I say this is because I wanted to make it clear now that I have no intention to compete with Wookieepedia in terms of canon information. Most of the content will be news, speculation, rumor, etc related, but I’ll still have pages about the films, probably the cast and crew, and possibly a few other out-of-universe details where news, rumor, and speculation can be documented in an encyclopedic fashion. As of now, though, I don’t have any intention of documenting in-universe information. That’s Wookieepedia’s territory, and I’m not going to tread on that. Wookieepedia is so well-established that I couldn’t compete with that even if I wanted to. The difference between Fanpedia and Wookieepedia will be established in policies to avoid the same kinds of confusion I spoke about between Fanpedia and Star Wars Fanon.
Wookieepedia has always used Fanpedia as a means to put fan content somewhere else. It can now be used in a similar way for discussions about the new films and projects. Users who want to talk about Star Wars rather than document facts about it are generally directed to TheForce.Net. Fanpedia will provide a new and/or additional place for people to be directed, and it’ll even be a wiki.
I wanted to let you know that while the wiki will have this new primary focus, I won’t be getting rid of the fandom info focuses that it currently has either. That will just be less emphasized since it never really took off. I’ll have clearer article guidelines about what the wiki accepts (for example, I’ll be de-emphasizing fan fiction given the confusion between Fanpedia and Star Wars Fanon), but Wookieepedia will still be able to move any fan articles it has to Fanpedia that fit within those new guidelines.
So that’s the basic gist of what I plan to do. I would love to get your thoughts on how Wookieepedia and Fanpedia can continue to work together with Fanpedia’s new focus, and any thoughts you have on making it clear what the content difference between Wookieepedia and Fanpedia is. If you have any other questions, comments, or concerns, I’d be happy to hear those too. Thank you for reading, and thanks for your thoughts! - Brandon Rhea(talk) 18:31, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
You're right in that Wookieepedia is dedicated only for verifiable, canon information. Thus, I think this is basically a pretty good idea. I'm definitely not opposed to Star Wars fans talking about current news, just not on Wookieepedia. Having an actual wiki where they can do it will help give people a second option if they want to use a wiki (instead of TFN). Thanks for giving us the heads up about this, and for my two cents, I can't foresee any major problems for Wookieepedia because of this.—Cal Jedi(Personal Comm Channel) 18:36, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
Hi Brandon. Sorry to hear the current approach isn't working out as you (and I think, everyone here as well) had hoped. I can see you're kind of straddling a grey area and how it would be difficult to clearly define your niche. One thing I just wanted to say—and I want to emphasize that I do not mean for it to be detracting or overly critical—is whether a Wiki is really the best format for news discussion. Maybe I'm just misreading you here, but it seems like that that sort of focus would lend itself better to a forum format. — DigiFluid(Whine here) 20:02, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
That's a really good question. A lot of it depends on what kinds of features are enabled. If the new Fanpedia were to use the traditional, Wikipedia set-up of a wiki that Wookieepedia uses, I would totally agree with you. A wiki would not be the right format in that case, because that format is conducive to documenting information. There are features that are available, though, that can help with the discussion goals of the new Fanpedia: article comments, blogs, and the new forum, just to name the main three. All of those will be enabled on Fanpedia to foster discussion, with the core discussions taking place on the new forum. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 20:35, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
You have a good point, Brandon. One benefit to wiki usage is that you can link directly to our larger articles using the w:c functions. It does seem confusing with Fanon and Fanpedia being of such close nomenclature. Perhaps the wiki could be amended to Fandompedia?... but that doesn't roll off the tongue as well I admit. I take it that you don't intend on taking away traffic from TFN, as you are working with a former founder of that site. Also, will you still beef up information on fan groups and other organizations as they occur? -- Riffsyphon1024 09:58, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
Hey Riff! I'm probably not going to change the name. Fandompedia does make some sense in terms of it's meaning though, like you said, it doesn't roll off the tongue. What I want the name Fanpedia to represent is that this is a wiki for fans. Specifically, Fanpedia is where people can go and geek out and be excited about the latest Star Wars news and rumors. "pedia" makes it clear that it's still a wiki, but "Fan" will hopefully put forward that it's not like Wikipedia either. That said, as for your fandom pages question, that will still be part of the wiki for sure. It won't be the main focus anymore (everything I described in my first post here about a discussion area/geek out area will be the main focus), but it will still be there and can still be worked on. My vision there is to say that this is a wiki where fans can go to talk about all the awesome Star Wars news coming our way, but where they can still learn about what other fans are doing across the Star Wars fandom. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 23:13, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
Drop the "p" and "Fandomedia" works wonderfully. It's a nice hybridization of "fandom" and "media," so it can still pertain to the fandom aspect of the SW media, and it at the very least has the "-edia" ending. Trak NarRamble on 04:15, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
Hey all. I just wanted to let you know that the new Star Wars Fanpedia is live for Star Wars Day! Fan projects are still part of the wiki so, if you have any pages you want to move over, just let me know. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 13:15, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
You use Monobook right? If so, I'm glad to hear it looks good. The awesome main page is optimized for the default Wikia skin, so it was all messed up in Monobook at first. Grunny worked some Monobook.css magic to improve it, so I'm happy it turned out well! - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:18, May 4, 2013 (UTC)