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Sorry to ask more than one question in a day, but I guess I am just curious coming to this community from another wiki. With so many spin-off sources of canon, how often do you guys come across areas of conflict, where the subject matter can be considered deuterocanonic (inconsistent)? -- 02:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Yes all the time. If you browse the site a little. You'll see quite a few mentioned in BTS's and such. Cull Tremayne 02:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
  • To be honest, I've been browsing all day (it's addictive!) and I haven't seen as many as I would have thought in the BTS, given so many resources, just from the standpoint of a casual fan. It does seem confusing from my perspective (as someone who doesn't get involved in expanded universe) how to figure out what facts come from which resource. For the movie-only purists, is there a way to differentiate what sections come from what source, or is canon just canon everywhere on the site?-- 02:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
  • If you're a movie purist, this isn't the site for you. But practically everything on this site is EU-level canon, and anything that's not is marked as such. -- Ozzel 02:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Well, I'm not a purist at all, I'd consider myself no more than a casual fan who's seen the movies only a few times and enjoyed them... my geek cred is quite low when it comes to this particular franchise :). My interest in Wookieepedia is academic curiosity only, from a social perspective, I just find it an inspirational site for ideas on a separate fan wiki. -- 03:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
      • The conflics are too numerous to count, but you might have missed them because conflict areas usually aren't included in articles before they have been resolved. Visit the talk pages of some of the articles you have read, and I'm sure you will find all the conflicts you want. DarthMRN 03:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
        • We say they're too numerous to count, but in the scheme of things, the conflicts ARE a lot less than you would expect. That's because Lucasfilm does a very good job of making sure all of their sources work together as a cohesive whole; comics, novels, games, and other works all make reference to other stuff in the universe and care is expended to make sure it all works together. Clearly, nobody's perfect, and a lot of errors and contradictions do make it through; but ultimately, there's a lot less than you'd find in other storylines because people like Leland Chee work hard to minimize them. jSarek 12:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
          • On this topic, the retcon article may be a good read. -BaronGrackle 14:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
            • Thanks, that's an interesting article. I'm coming from a different fanverse, but one which also has enormously detail-oriented fans, to whom timeline discontinuity makes a difference, so I came here and Memory Alpha to see how these issues end up getting resolved. The EU for our own show is just starting to be developed, sponsored by ABC/Disney... but our concern is that some of the EU that is in the works may not have good continuity due to poor communication with the writers and producers of the show themselves. Is there an article on Wookieepedia about how EU spinoff writers (such as for comics, books) are chosen? I assume you guys in your community can all clearly differentiate the handpicked authors from fanon authors? -- 16:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Are there ever fan authors who are responsible for authorized Disney material? We know which ones are real because their name is included in whatever material they have created. About how they are chosen, all I know is that novel authors can't too famous, or demand too much pay. LucasBooks or Del Rey or whoever rules that stuff apparently have limited funding. DarthMRN 22:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
      • I'm not sure what that question means, Darth, but I'll say I'm coming from the fanverse of the TV show Lost (and the wiki is Lostpedia). Right now, our sources of EU are almost all directly from ABC, namely in the form of: games, action figures, podcasts, ARG-related websites. There are 4 official "canonic" spinoff novels by authors which I believe have been given the nod by ABC and thus fall under the umbrella, but I don't think they really talk at all with the actual head writers (and to me, that part is a bit disillusioning, and makes me wary of continuity errors between them). So that's why I'm on this little research expedition to wookieepedia, to find out how other fan communities deal with things. I'm sure you guys come across this sort of cynicism all the time, with SW being such a money-making franchise. -- 00:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
        • We're lucky that we've only had six movies of G-canon material created, so our authors have less to tapdance around than Lost authors do; we're also lucky that the people in charge of the Expanded Universe have worked hard to retcon old references from before the prequels to fit the new information shown in the prequels (The way Boba Fett's history has been reworked to include both his Attack of the Clones appearance and his pre-prequel history is a near-masterpiece). While most of our authors have no contact with George Lucas, Lucas Licensing (the division of Lucasfilm in charge of coordinating the EU) has a fairly extensive collection of in-house notes from him about the nature of the universe, and when big events happen, they do clear them with Lucas. As a result, we can treat the vast majority of material as all being from the same universe, with any unresolved contradictions noted in the "Behind the scenes" sections of the relevant articles. For further reading, you might want to look at the articles on Star Wars canon and the Holocron continuity database. jSarek 02:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the detailed answer, Sarek, and you are right on the difference... we have 50+ hours of "G-canon" now, though not nearly as much EU. ANd thanks from one community to another for the introduction. I poked around your site for a bit and found that some of my questions can be answered in Star Wars canon and Holocron continuity database. -- 03:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC) PS: Wow, that is so funny, I left this page idling for a while while surfing through, and wrote that before I saw your comment to look on those 2 pages. I guess I was looking in the right spots!

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