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This thread is to create a deciding vote on the canonicity of the Design an Alien contest. While Leland Chee said on his blog that "the aliens published for this contest are canon, though any text discrepencies with other sources would likely to be superceded by the other source," there are some users here who feel that a lack of information on sentient species native to planets such as Dagobah and Yavin IV is tacet proof that there are no sentient species native to these planets. According to the contest, the Critokians and Hepsalum Tash are native to Yavin IV and Dagobah, respectively. While not mentioned in the Essential Guide to Planets and Moons, the articles for these worlds do not explicitly claim that the worlds are devoid of intelligent native species.

For the creatures' canonicityEdit

  1. Cutch 23:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  2. If we treat this the same way as What's the Story?, why wouldn't it be? But it might still be S-canon. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  3. Roron Corobb 23:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  4. They're S-canon, and just as real - and worthy of inclusion here - as yet-to-be-referenced elements of the Marvel Star Wars comics. Though expect to see their ancestries retconned if they're ever referenced in the canon again . . . jSarek 23:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  5. .... 00:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  6. Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 00:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  7. If it's canon, it's canon. -- I need a name (Complain here) 00:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  8. Leland said it, I believe it, that settles it. -- Darth Culator (Talk)(TINC) 00:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  9. Per Darth Culator. Adamwankenobi 01:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  10. Per jSarek. May well be retconned later (they could be imported species--the Critokians in particular sound nonnative just from the name), but for now, I don't see a lot we can do with it. *shrug*Valin Kenobi 03:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  11. Ozzel 05:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  12. QuentinGeorge 07:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC) It's canon, no way about it.
  13. May want to put a BTS note and/or bother Leland Chee for the ones which are only mentioned in the contest but which are said to be native to worlds which are well-detailed in other references. —Silly Dan (talk) 14:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  14. Cull Tremayne 17:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)-Read Cutch's talk page.
  15. Per Silly Dan's comment. --Xwing328(Talk) 19:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Against the creatures' canonicityEdit


  • This is absurd, but I created this thread as per one user's request. Not mentioning a species as being native certainly has no bearing on whether the species is later revealed to be from a planet. How many times have retcons changed such things? To me, the Design An Alien contest is just another retcon. Cutch 23:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Is it just me, or are we voting on canon? Does that strike me as a little incongruous with our mission? Yes it does. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Audience Chamber) 23:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
      • This is almost as disturbing as keeping Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader seperate. .... 00:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
        • I think the purpose here is to make a point, because some people are being a bit stubborn about accepting the Holocron Keeper's word on this. -- Darth Culator (Talk)(TINC) 01:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
          • I can see why they would. Rune Haako in AOTC? Ridiculous. But...he is C-Canon. Chee-Canon, more like. .... 02:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
          • Actually, if you read Cutch's talk page you'll get a good grasp of why this is here. jSarek 02:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
        • This is almost as disturbing as keeping Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader seperate. Real classy dragging that in here. *eyeroll*--Valin Kenobi 03:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

So, here's the next question: the contest said that the Critokians were native to Yavin IV, the Tash to Dagobah. They should thus be under the "native species" heading in the info box until someone finds something different, correct? Cutch 03:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Personally I'd list them both under "Immigrated Species" and put in parentheses "Disputed" or something like that--although I'll grant that it may stray too close to fanon interpretation for some peoples' taste.--Valin Kenobi 03:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
    • It's a good idea, but it would just get too messy, and open up violent debate. And you don't want that, do you Valin? .... 08:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Somehow I don't think such a low-profile issue as this would be anywhere near as hotly contested ... but I could be wrong.--Valin Kenobi 14:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Yavin, Hoth, and Dagobah are major parts of the Star Wars universe, their details shouldn't be misrepresented on Wookieepedia. I could see them being immigrated populations, but all previously released guides make no mention of these species as native. --Pdixie 18:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
          • Another thing: does the original text specifically say these critters are "native", or does it just say they "live on" or are "from" Yavin/Dagobah/etc.? The wording could give more wiggle room and justification for listing them under something like "Immigrated (Assumed)".--Valin Kenobi 19:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)