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Now that all of the films are out and settled in, we should not have to have a characters photo be from their most recent appearance. It should be from their most famous appearance, or, if the character is not famous, their most prominent appearance. For instance, Rune Haako is only in ROTS for a few seconds, wheras in TPM, he's one of the supporting players. And yet we have his ROTS photo. Luke Skywalker is in his ANH gear, I don't see why Haako can't be in his TPM gear. We should not have a set standard here, it should be dictated by prominence, or when the character was in their "prime" (e.g., Anakin from ROTS).

  • EDIT: This is now a proposal to abolish dictates in terms of infobox image - we should judge in a case by case system, and we should NOT have to have a full body shot, or the most recent image.

SupportEdit

  1. .... 07:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
  2. Just want to add my support for using the best looking pic for the main article. Chervil JaingHead 14:37, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
  3. Support! Britannica doesn't use the "most recent" picture of Einstein, or Cole Porter; they use the one that depicts them the best. Support, support, support! Cutch 19:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
  4. Support. The best pic should win, as decided by consensus if needed, and not be constrained by artificial dicatates. jSarek 03:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
  5. It should be the best pic, not the most recent. I oppose setting strict guidelines and support flexibility. - breathesgelatinTalk 03:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
  6. Havac 00:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
  7. Adamwankenobi 04:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

OpposeEdit

  1. For the Haako example, it should be the current picture, because Haako changed over time. It'd be stupid to use a picture of the Episode I Haako when his appearance changed from Episode I to Episode III. Also, Luke Skywalker's appearance didn't change over the films, which is why an ANH photo is being used. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 11:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Ah...Skywalker's appearance changed a hell of a lot more than Haako's - Car-crash, costume, hair-style. Whereas Haako only had a costume change. .... 02:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
  2. Over. My. Dead. Body. RedemptionTalk Uglykotoricon 00:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, it looks like you're going to have to...how was it that you put it on Talk:Rune Haako..."get the hell out of here"? ;) .... 04:16, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
      • And I still stand by it. --RedemptionTalk Uglykotoricon 04:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
        • Ah, but policy is to be civil. Unless you would like to propose a change? .... 05:28, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
          • I think I was perefectly civil. I was actually being realistic, simple and straight to the point. --RedemptionTalk Uglykotoricon 19:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
            • What, on the Rune Haako talk page? .... 22:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
            • "Get the hell out of here" is not civil. - breathesgelatinTalk 23:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
              • I love how people twist things around. Anyway, you forgot to complete it. "If you don't like it, get the hell out of here". Perfectly civil. If you want to continue this pointless debate about if it's civil or not, go ahead. I'm comfortable enough with what I said and I stand by what I said. --RedemptionTalk Uglykotoricon 00:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
                • Sorry Redemption, but "If you don't like it, get the hell out of here" is not at all civil or appropriate. I understand that you were probably frustrated, but you still should not communicate in that fashion. - Angel BlueHolocron negwt(Holonet) 00:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
                  • If you think that was me frustrated then you don't want to know what I'm like when I'am (actually I'm told I'm calmer when I'm frustrated...). Anyway, I stand by what I said. Deal with it. --RedemptionTalk Uglykotoricon 00:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
                    • *Looks at current forum* I have. .... 01:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • I don't know. If this is a (semi) in-universe encyclopedia, shouldn't we use a character's most recent appearance? I say this because we can't possibly know their most famous appearance in-universe, only out of universe Adamwankenobi 07:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I would rather just have images that give us the best view of the subject. Headshots usually work best in infoboxes, with full body shots in the main article, if space allows - Kwenn 07:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Exactly. The best shot available. Let's not shackle ourselves with any completely arbitary rules. QuentinGeorge 07:31, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, support! I tried to put a TPM portrait of Nute Gunray up in his respective infobox, but was shot down, and was reverted to the ROTS image. TPM is obviously Nute's "fun-in-the-sun" film, and his most prominent appearance, so it should be the TPM shot. As has been said, we should present the photo that best serves the article, and not adhere to guidelines. Also, I think we should have portraits in the main infobox image, not body shots. Wikipedia uses Portraits more often than not for their main images, because the face is where it's all at. .... 09:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
        • I think it should simply be based on quality: use the best shot you have. Arbitrary rules don't help anyone. Havac 15:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
          • Agreed. I think that was probably the reason Nute Gunray was reverted, the existing picture just looks better. Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I alter the proposal to suggest that we use portraits for the Infobox shot, not a full body shot. Full body shots should be in the article body. .... 23:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

    • I must also agree with this. Otherwise, we would find our Boba Fett pic being of Daniel Logan (AotC), our Luke pic being from the end of RotS as a baby (his most recent appearance) and Grand Moff Tarkin's would be that split-second cameo with the Emperor and Vader(also at the end of RotS). By all means, the best possible pic should be the one used. Chervil JaingHead 02:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
    • True, and Haakos clober in TPM best reflects him, because it's his most typical clothing. .... 03:16, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
    • No, no, no, it's most recent in-universe. Boba Fett's would be the Bloodlines cover, Luke's would be the Japanes cover of The Joiner King, and Tarkin's would be ANH. Havac 05:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Yeah...I know (but it's only for the films). What I'm saying is that there should NOT be a policy which says that it has to be the most "recent" appearance, it should be what best serves the article. .... 07:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I was responding to Chervil. Havac 17:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually I think there is some work left, because many, many characters have a picture taken from the Deciper CCG instead of an actual screenshot from the movie. Often the background is blurred or it's unclear where the character is situated in the movie. I think it would be better if we would change the Decipher stuff into real screenshots / photos. --Sompeetalay 18:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, Decipher did a *lot* of digital cleanup on some of those images, making them far clearer than their screenshot counterparts. If a screenshot is clear, go for it, but no screenshot of Pharl McQuarrie, for example, will match the CCG picture. jSarek 10:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Also, I think that portraits would be prefferable for the infobox, while the full body shot should be in the "Personality and Traits" section. It's just more encyclopedic. And if a character is "dead", it shouldn't have to be how they appeared before death, it should be when they were in the "prime of their life", again, more encyclopedic. .... 22:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Which way should I vote if I want the *best* picture to be used (finding a consensus on a case-by-case basis, if needed), regardless of the pictures recency, fame, or prominence? jSarek 07:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Support. I've changed the proposition to be that we don't have any dictates when it comes to infobox image. .... 10:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
      • The term, I think you are looking for is 'iconic' -what best describes the aspects of the character, which is why Luke's moisture farmer look keeps coming up; that's what he was when he started out on his epic adventure, and deep-down, that still forms the basis of his character. Which is not to say a source of information cannot have images showing the growth of a character. A lot of encyclopedias show pictures of both 'thin' & 'fat' Elvis, and John Lennon during his early days with the Beatles, as well as during his psychedelic phase, his long-haired period, and towards the end of his life. But to go with a 'Most Recent Pic Only' means we will be putting up a shot of Luke as a Force ghost from his appearance in Legacy 3.Tocneppil 07:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

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