This page is an archive of a community-wide discussion. This page is no longer live. Further comments or questions on this topic should be made in a new Senate Hall page rather than here so that this page is preserved as a historic record. 1358(Talk) 20:44, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
I was working on Blaster Carbine and I wondered, why is there a scrollbox in the Appearances? The listing is not excessive. There is no reason for it. Removing the scrollbox would not make the article worse, but better. Let me explain:
Scrollboxes may be useful for excessively long lists since they reduce the length of the article by a small percentage. But for short lists, they serve no purpose. Additionally, I have found certain disadvantages to scrollboxes:
A scrollbox can display a list of about 19 at the same time. However, if the items were not in a scrollbox, I could see about 30 at a time on my screen. Sometimes I prefer to use my eyes to scan an entire list rather than going up and down and trying to navigate in a tiny scrollbox while looking for something.
Another reason I don't like scroll boxes is because when I am scrolling down the page using my mouse wheel, my mouse always gets caught in a scrollbox and starts scrolling in the box rather than continuing to scroll down the screen like I want. It's like driving along and then getting stuck in the mud with your tires spinning.
CT? Just remove the unneeded scrollboxes and use them when needed. It's as simple as that. JangFett(Talk) 03:14, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
Scrollboxes are generally used when a list is at or exceeds 15 entries.—Tommy9281 Wednesday, September 18, 2013, 03:28 UTC
That number was changed at the November 2012 Mofference. Instead of a hard cut-off of 15, it's now a general guideline of 40 to 50 with actual usage determined case-by-case. The article in question currently has 29 appearances, and there is no pressing reason why there needs to be a scroll box, so a scroll box should not be used (though I suspect that that list is sorely lacking for such a basic subject and that a scroll box will likely be warranted if expanded properly). —MJ—Council Chambers 04:16, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
I seem to remember one or two users who went around adding scroll boxes to articles when they weren't needed, so this is likely one of those occurrences. You can just remove it. CadeCalrayn 04:22, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, well I didn't want to start making global changes without a solid basis, especially when it involves the Featured Articles that I mentioned. Otherwise I will be questioned on what basis I am changing these Featured Articles, whose changes are carefully scrutinized. I never noticed the November 2012 Mofference before, but I did notice that it's talking about limiting the scrollbox specifically in regards to the Reference list. It's not clear if this applies to the lists of Sources and Appearances also. I checked out the changes made to Wookieepedia:Sourcing#Long reference lists and Wookieepedia:Layout Guide#Notes and references and they both seem to talk about only the Reference list, not Sources and Appearances.--Richterbelmont10(come in R2!) 16:09, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
Hmm. I thought that decision had applied to Appearances and Sources as well. After reading the log, it explicitly does not. However, that means that we have no guidelines whatsoever for scroll boxes in Appearances/Sources. So technically, we shouldn't be using them at all under those two headers, but I highly doubt anyone will seriously complain if you make a reasonable "stylistic choice" to do so. I certainly won't because I won't even see the scroll box at all due to special code in my CSS file. —MJ—Jedi Council Chambers 17:53, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
I think it's interesting you have a "Kill Scrollboxes" personalized modification. I guess I'm not the only one that doesn't like them! I may start removing the scrollboxes on the basis of the Reference list guidelines. But if people start complaining, I'm gong to send this to the CT.--Richterbelmont10(come in R2!) 22:06, September 18, 2013 (UTC)