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Should The Jacen Solo Article be renamed Darth Caedus? I mean he is fully Sith so, just a thought>

  • No, because that's not the name he currently goes by anywhere but his own thoughts. Once he publicly claims the title and it becomes his public name, then we'll talk. Havac 06:07, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
    • If he states his name and dies under that name...then probably, yes, we would have to move it, but, as with Count Dooku, we will probably go by the name they were most known by, like Palpatine...he was really Darth Sidious, but the public and most of the EU sources knew him as Palpatine. DarthMalus 02:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Because Jacen Solo is dead. Darth Caedus has been born. I think we should change all Sith like Dooku and Palpatine should be categorized by the name they died with.User:Revan rocks Caedus sucks 3 December 2007

  • Based on your logic we should leave it at Jacen, "Because Jacen Solo is dead." ;) —Xwing328(Talk) 17:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by "my logic?" I just think that commpared to Darth Revan Darth Caedus is just a novice in the sith ways. We should keep it Darth Caedus, ever though he sucks. He does not even have an apprentice yet. Darth Caedus it is. User: Revan rocks Caedus sucks. December 2007.

  • As on the talk page for Jacen Solo, the argument is that everyone but Caedus knows him as Jacen Solo, so Jacen Solo it is. Everyone knows Count Dooku as (Count) Dooku, so his page is Dooku and not Darth Tyranus.Darth Balls 02:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I really think we should name sith lord under the name they died with. It makes them seem evil. This evil is the embodyment of the Sith Lords we all know and love. It adds a certain zing to the personallity. If Dooku, and Palpatine are known by their Pre-Sith Lord names it doesn't make the same impression that a Sith Lord name could. User:Revan rocks caedus sucks December 12 2007.

  • You may be interested in reading this before stating that we want the Sith Lords to "seem evil." Also, since our articles are written in an in-universe perspective, and no one in-universe & living except for Caedus himself actually calls him that or knows him as such, we won't be moving the article yet. Hobbes(Tiger's Lair) 16:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to rain on your parade whoever is agreeing with me below, but this guy^ makes a good point. User: Revan rocks Caedus sucks

I agree with Revan Rocks that the name should be Darth Caedus. It's who he is. Regardless of what he's known as, he is who he is, and that's Darth Caedus.Maxi6 20:52, 15 December 2007 (UTC)Maxi6

  • ATTN: DON'T STOP READING AND KNEED JERK AFTER THIS NEXT STATEMENT!! Maybe no-one understands this, he is the only person in-universe that knows him as Caedus, EVERYONE else knows him as Jacen, so the page is named Jacen. IMPORTANT!! Everyone knows Palpatine as Palpatine so the page is Palpatine and NOT Darth Sidious, same as Count Dooku and not Darth Tyranus. Let the knee jerk responses like the one above this commence.Darth Balls 22:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

So if Anakin died on Mustafar, would his page be titled Anakin Skywalker because most people didn't know he was a Sith? And by the way, what exactly is a knee jerk?Maxi6 01:21, 17 December 2007 (UTC)Maxi6

  • Exactly Maxi6... only that he didn't. And everbody knew him henceforth as Darth Vader. Carlitos Moff 02:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Um, FYI, his page is at Anakin Skywalker. -LtNOWIS 08:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
      • Heheh... I really should think before I open my mouth, shouldn't I? Carlitos Moff 10:22, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
        • Look, people, he is Darth Caedus! It's the truth, it's who he is, so it should be the title of the article. Maxi6 01:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)Maxi6
          • *You may be interested in reading this DO IT NOW! That's Wookieepedia policy, end of discussion.Darth Balls 01:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
          • I have a secret name myself. It's not my IP address. I've never told anyone my secret name, it is only known to me. Now, you must go write an article about me, so what name are you going to use? Wookieepedia is written from an in-universe perspective, and since no one else in the Star Wars universe yet knows Jacen's sith name, they can't very well write an article about him using that name, can they? 08:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
            • has a good point. In-universe, he is Jacen Solo. Few know that he is even Sith (I have not read anything after Sacrifice out of disgust, so I do not know if anyone, or how many, have discovered this private fact), so he is known by virtually everyone who knows him as Jacen Solo... MY VIEW: Even when his Sith status gets out, any common GA/whatever-govt citizens who know of him, and even many who have met him one way or another, will STILL know him as Jacen Solo. Unless of course, he becomes an active public figure of the same evil, feared, iron-grip aura of Vader, which seems to be something he is avoiding (being Vader); or unless he decides to go by nothing BUT Caedus, as opposed to Palpatine, who still went by Palpatine for the rest of his unnatural life... Until he widely and publicly declares his name as Darth Caedus and refuses to acknowledge anyone who calls him Jacen Solo (as Vader did with the name Anakin Skywalker), he will still be known as Jacen Solo *in the SW universe* and his page should be titled as such! -->Valderaad Dathomiri 09:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Could it be argued that since he's told Lon Shevu his Sith name he's probably declaring his identity change? I mean, it seems like it's a bit of a granted at this point. The rest of the characters haven't been calling him Caedus because they didn't know the name, but once he told Shevu it's pretty much a given he's going to start using the Sith name full time. Katarn 1989 7:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Only the Solo and Skywalker families and Lon Shevu know that Jacen is Caedus, some people will argue "Hey, we shouls cahnge his name cuz' everybody knows!", but Invincible said nothing of Jacen announcing to the whole galaxy that he is Caedus, and two families and one officer don't count as "everybody". And the galaxy viewed Jacen as a madman, they would just view his demand to be called Caedus just one more rant from a madman. Dooku also said at one point that Darth Tyranus lived and not Dooku, but everybody knew him as Dooku.--Jedi Kasra 23:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Well, from reading the article. Jacen is now really dead. A shame. Still, unless he told the galaxy that he was Caedus, we shouldn't change the article, in my opinion, since most of the galaxy knows him as Jacen Solo.--Jedi Kasra 01:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
      • In Revelation he announced himself as Darth Caedus. Drewton 01:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
  • O.K. Since he is dead, why hasn't the user who added such info to Jaina Solo's or Tenel Ka's articles? It would be very important to add to their opening paragraphs and such.--Jedi Kasra 01:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
      • I'll add that now. Drewton 01:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I'm not saying that his family and Shevu are "everyone." The point is that him telling Shevu his Sith name is a precursor to him declaring it publicly. It's mentioned many times in the books that the majority of the Galactic Alliance don't consider him a madman, they like the way he does things. A name change wouldn't be too radical for them, and the Imperial Remnant would probably even like it. If we really want to settle this, why don't we ask User:StarNeptune what they call him in the Dramatis Personae of the book? Katarn 1989 1:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Well I think Jacen told Shevu on purpose. He might have been trying to see if Shevu was a "traitor" or not. Besides, eveyone seems to know that Jacen was a sith any how. Some of the officers refer to him as Cadeus if you haven't noticed. User:Jacen&TenelKa4ever 10:00, 3 May 2008
  • Yes, Jacen died as Darth Caedus. Drewton 02:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Also I asked StarNeptune what the Dramatis Persona calls him, the answear, Darth Caedus (formely Jacen Solo). Formely as in not anymore. To use Jacen's own words "Gone and never coming back". - KAJ Talk 09:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Well, if it's OK with everybody, I can put up a poll and everyone can vote on what we should change his name. He is more commonly known in the galaxy as Jacen Solo, and I presume that 100 years from 40 ABY, everyone still knows him as Jacen Solo. It's my opinion, but just because a few people call him Caedus doesn't mean we need to change the article name to "Darth Caedus", I mean, he was a Sith Lord for less than a year! Most of his article deals with Jacen, not Caedus. Like I said, Palpatine died as Darth Sidious, does that mean we should change the article to "Darth Sidious"? No.--Jedi Kasra 13:36, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
      • Sigh* My copy and paste from Talk:Jacen Solo: "In the book, his crew members refer to him as "Lord Caedus", Fett and Mirta call him Caedus, The Moffs call him Caedus, and he corrects Isolder when Isolder referred to him as "Jacen". Those all are the people I can remember off the top of my head that aren't family or his apprentice that refer to him that way (there are probably others)." So yes, it is established that he is going around telling people to refer to him as Caedus. StarNeptuneTalk to me! 13:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
  • So we are definitely going to change the article's name? These people only knew Caedus for a short time, a very short time. I mean, it would be different if he demanded he be called Caedus after he named himself such, or if the "Dramatis Personae" in the books after Sacrfifce excluding Invincible referred to him as "Jacen Solo, joint-Chief of State, Galctic Alliance, and Sith Lord (male human)", but he didn't demand anyone to do so until the last two chapters in Revelation.--Jedi Kasra 15:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
    • From an in-universe perspective, he is Caedus. Unless I misunderstood something, we title the articles as they are thought of within the context of the story, regardless how long they have been called such. Anakin Skywalker's article is not titled Darth Vader even though he was known as Vader longer than he was as Anakin Skywalker. Katarn 1989 16:07, 4 May 2008
  • That's true. I was just using the time thing to try to make a point. Isn't Jacen known better in-universe as Jacen? Yes, he died as Darth Caedus, as did Darth Malak. But like I said im my arguments about Dooku and Palpatine, they died as Sith with Darth titles as well, and they were more commonly known as Dooku and Palpatine. He lived for 31 years as Jacen Solo, and for a few months as Caedus. Everyone outside of family & friends, Jacen's troops, the Moffs and the Fetts don't appear to know he's Caedus, they know him as Jacen Solo.--Jedi Kasra 17:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Debatable, but I do see your point with Dooku and Palpatine. Perhaps a better question would be what he will be remembered for, defeating the Yuuzhan Vong or trying to conquer the galaxy? Maybe we might want to wait and see how the Legacy comics refer to him now that the LOTF books are all out (almost). Katarn 1989 17:41 4 May 2008 (UTC)
    • But neither Dooku or Palpatine wanted people to call them my by their Darth names. Jacen told everyone to call him Caedus. If he had lived for a few more weeks or months everyone probably would have. Drewton 17:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
      • Somewhat debatable as well. The problem with bringing Palpatine into this is that a lot the material in EU on him was created before the prequel trilogy was released. Who knows what name they would have used for him in the Dark Empire comics if Lucas had told everyone his Sith name beforehand. Tyranus is also difficult because he died before he could declare his allegiances to the Sith, which is pretty much what he wanted to do if you lend any credence to the novelization of Revenge of the Sith. I agree that the main reason most people didn't know him as Caedus was simply because he didn't have time to spread the name. Caedus was how he died, which seems as good a way as any to decide the name of a page. Katarn 1989 18:16 4, May 2008 (UTC)
        • Didn't the galaxy know that Dooku was a Sith anyway? It doesn't seem to be a secret to anyone that he was a Jedi who turned to the dark side. The Jedi certainly knew he was a Sith when the war started, and Dooku didn't correct Yoda when he said: "Count Dooku", as Caedus would have. Drewton 19:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
          • Thank you Drewton. Point well made, Palpatine used his real name pubilically and tried to keep his Sith persona hidden, whereas Caedus declared himself openly at the first opertunity and demanded to be known as such from then onward. Jacen Solo is a thing of the past, for an encyclopedia the most accurate and up to date title for the article is Darth Caedus. And as far as I'm aware the New Sith Order in Legacy call him Caedus. - KAJ Talk 21:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
  • He didn't declare himself Darth Caedus publicly at the first opportunity, he waited for a while. And we've only seen one reference in the future where someone referred to him as Caedus, and of course, the Sith would (usually) refer to another Sith with their Sith name. Krayt and Nihl, however, didn't refer to Sidious as a such. Maybe future references, like say, I don't know, a book series set after LOTF, will call him Jacen Solo. Why don't we either take a vote, or let the administrator's decide and be content with their decision?--Jedi Kasra 22:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I'm all for letting the administrators decide. Katarn 1989 22:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
      • That would indicate that a cabal exists. However, we all know There Is No Cabal. As for what to do, I say take it to a vote, with cohesive, canon-backed arguments on the talk page (or CT, if that would garner more attention). But, even if it's taken to a vote, we need to wait a month after the release of the book to actually do anything (after a month the spoiler period ends and major changes to an article can take place) JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 23:50, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Then let's wait 'til the 13th, shall we?--Jedi Kasra 23:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Sounds good to me. I'd like to see specifically what the book says for myself. Katarn 1989 3:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
      • Better be the 13th of June... :P JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 04:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Well the page has been moved, it's odd but it just looks better for it. - KAJ Talk 13:59, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Why the heck was it moved? Aren't we supposed to have a vote or something? Or did the administrators decide for us what the name would be?--Jedi Kasra 16:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

The admins moved it. - KAJ Talk 16:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

  • OK,. There's no point in discussing this any longer, is there, then? It's a done deal.--Jedi Kasra 16:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

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