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There are two merges I would like to propose and discuss.
First, TibannaX into Tibanna gas. With TibannaX being merely an isotope of the Tibanna gas, I think it might be more appropriate to have it the compound's main page. Furthermore, information about Tibanna can be more readily accessed.
Second, I would like to propose the merge of Five Brothers into Five Worlds. Five Brothers is just an earlier name for the same entity and a phrase. Five Worlds is also more widely used in my experience. I believe the articles could easily be combined.
What does everyone think? Jedi Master Fiolli 17:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- You don't need to start a forum thread for this. We have a {{merge}} template (or one of it's variants) for that which is to be placed at the top of the article in question and the discussion held on the article's talk page. - JMAS 18:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you. Out of curiosity, is there a list of the possible merge templates (or any other templates)? As follow up: I placed the one you suggested above at the top of the aforementioned articles. Jedi Master Fiolli 20:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- Not a list, but you can look on the Category:Maintenance templates page for the various Merge type templates. -Fnlayson 23:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- See Wookieepedia:Template_messages/Cleanup for a list.--172.130.109.124 23:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- Not a list, but you can look on the Category:Maintenance templates page for the various Merge type templates. -Fnlayson 23:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you. Out of curiosity, is there a list of the possible merge templates (or any other templates)? As follow up: I placed the one you suggested above at the top of the aforementioned articles. Jedi Master Fiolli 20:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- I ask that 0 ABY and 0 BBY be merged as they cover the same year. Karohalva
- How are they the same year? The Battle of Yavin is set at the start of the Galactic Standard Calendar. So 0 BBY is a seperate year, the one before the battle. -Fnlayson 17:28, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
- No, no NO. 1 BBY is the year before the battle. O BBY/ABY is the same year. 203.13.2.142 02:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- No, no No NO! 6 months before the battle of Yavin is not up to one year before the battle of yavin, so it would fall in 0 BBY. 1-2 years before is 1 BBY. So the day before and after the battle of yavin are in different years, both numbered 0. Owen and Beru Lars were killed in 0 BBY but Luke and Han received their medals in 0 ABY. Wildyoda 03:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- Beat me to it. From the BoY back to just before 1 BBY is 0 BBY. -Fnlayson 03:09, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- I call bullshit. How the heck does that make them separate years? So, what you are expecting me to believe is that there is suddenly two six month years between them? I don't accept that, there's no evidence to suggest it is so, and plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise, including ages for characters born before the Battle of Yavin. It's counter-intuitive, makes no sense, and utterly ridiculous. (QuentinGeorge) 203.13.1.142 03:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- LOL! Now that makes no sense. -130.76.96.19
- How then, can 1 BBY be year 34 of the Great Resynchronization and 1 ABY be year 36 if 0 BBY and 0 ABY weren't the same thing ? Also, could it be that year 0 is simply, "0" ? Jedi Master Fiolli 20:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- I wasn't saying there were 2 six-month years, that was just a bad example to use. I meant that 1 day after the Battle of Yavin happens in 0ABY because it wouldn't make sense for it to happen in the year 1 ABY, because it hasn't BEEN a full year yet. Same thing for before the battle of Yavin: 2 months before it would be in the year 0 because it hasn't been a full year before the battle. The same way you are not 1 year old until your first birthday, 1 full year after your the day you are born. You are 2 months or 6 months or whatever until you're 1 year old. But I didn't think about lining up with the Great Resynchronization. I guess we could merge them, but then is six months BBY in the year 1 BBY or 0 BBY/ABY? And similarly, is 1 month ABY in the year 0 BBY/ABY or is it in 1 ABY? See what I'm saying? If 0 ABY/BBY is the same year, then either the Battle of Yavin would have to be in the middle of that year, or either 1 ABY or 1 BBY is not actually a full year before or after the Battle of Yavin, respectively. Wildyoda 21:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- This is like a number line thing from elementary school. Put the Battle of Yavin at the origin and ABY years on the positve side and BBY years on the negative. -Fnlayson 03:37, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well, it is pretty much like the 2000/2001, 20th/21th century question. Difference is that in our calendar there is only the 1st year, and no year 0. Well, it is a difficult question with all that resynchronization stuff. According to this, 34=1BBY, 35=0, 36=1ABY. This implies that those who introduced the new calendar, determined a year zero around the Battle of Yavin. So, there is only ONE year, and based on this, we can say that the 0 ABY/BBY issue is caused by uncertainity: both BBY and ABY are used for the same year, because no one decided how to 'officially' designate year zero, so everyone uses them as he/she likes it. Question is that is there an official source that determines the usage (date format) of 'year zero'? Domlith 15:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
- That's assuming 34=1 BBY, 35=0, 36=1 ABY is correct. What's the source for that? -Fnlayson 18:11, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
- Two separate year 0s, one BBY and one ABY, are definitely canon, per The New Essential Chronology; the discussion of the events of A New Hope starts with "The Death Star's Completion" in 3-0 BBY, goes to "Preparations for Battle," "The Capture of Princess Leia," and "A New Hope" in 0 BBY, then goes on to "Impact and Consequences" and "Rebel Trap" in 0-0.5 ABY. jSarek 22:25, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
- After looking at my resources and reading this again, I agree with Fnlayson and jSarek. We are assuming that the dates cited in the Great Resynchronization are correct. I can't find a series of sources to back this up, but I don't personally own A Guide to the Star Wars Universe. Could there be a conflict between sources or are we just interpreting this all wrong ? Jedi Master Fiolli 14:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- Two separate year 0s, one BBY and one ABY, are definitely canon, per The New Essential Chronology; the discussion of the events of A New Hope starts with "The Death Star's Completion" in 3-0 BBY, goes to "Preparations for Battle," "The Capture of Princess Leia," and "A New Hope" in 0 BBY, then goes on to "Impact and Consequences" and "Rebel Trap" in 0-0.5 ABY. jSarek 22:25, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
- That's assuming 34=1 BBY, 35=0, 36=1 ABY is correct. What's the source for that? -Fnlayson 18:11, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well, it is pretty much like the 2000/2001, 20th/21th century question. Difference is that in our calendar there is only the 1st year, and no year 0. Well, it is a difficult question with all that resynchronization stuff. According to this, 34=1BBY, 35=0, 36=1ABY. This implies that those who introduced the new calendar, determined a year zero around the Battle of Yavin. So, there is only ONE year, and based on this, we can say that the 0 ABY/BBY issue is caused by uncertainity: both BBY and ABY are used for the same year, because no one decided how to 'officially' designate year zero, so everyone uses them as he/she likes it. Question is that is there an official source that determines the usage (date format) of 'year zero'? Domlith 15:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
- How then, can 1 BBY be year 34 of the Great Resynchronization and 1 ABY be year 36 if 0 BBY and 0 ABY weren't the same thing ? Also, could it be that year 0 is simply, "0" ? Jedi Master Fiolli 20:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- LOL! Now that makes no sense. -130.76.96.19
- I call bullshit. How the heck does that make them separate years? So, what you are expecting me to believe is that there is suddenly two six month years between them? I don't accept that, there's no evidence to suggest it is so, and plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise, including ages for characters born before the Battle of Yavin. It's counter-intuitive, makes no sense, and utterly ridiculous. (QuentinGeorge) 203.13.1.142 03:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- No, no NO. 1 BBY is the year before the battle. O BBY/ABY is the same year. 203.13.2.142 02:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- How are they the same year? The Battle of Yavin is set at the start of the Galactic Standard Calendar. So 0 BBY is a seperate year, the one before the battle. -Fnlayson 17:28, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Another bunch of candidates for merging: forms of Teräs Käsi. The descriptions of moves are so short that they should be merged into the article, at least I think so. Domlith 15:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
The latest source: C IV timeline[]
At Celebration IV there was a big (wall-sized) timeline of the GFFA, with BBY/ABY years. This timeline had one "0" in the middle. This is also what I think makes sense, the calendar wasn't recreated from scratch only the numbers of the years changed. So there is only one "year 0" or "The year of the Battle of Yavin". This is similar to how Jesus was supposed to have been born in the year 1 BC. Charlii 18:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- A timeline has a 0 on the center tickmark (origin) too. Unless it was labeled 0 BBY/ABY, I don't see how it supports the single 0 year thing. -Fnlayson 01:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure it said "year 0", but I haven't found any pictures of it. And I don't really understand how a double year 0 would work. Are you saying that we have four normal years called 1 BBY, 0 BBY, 0 ABY, 1 ABY? The year 0 BBY would begin when? 14 months before ANH or two? And 0 ABY would be the year after that, beginning at 2 months before or 10 months after ANH? (assuming 12-month calendar) Charlii 08:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- It's already been explained multiple times above. Look at the timeline link maybe.. -Fnlayson 13:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure it said "year 0", but I haven't found any pictures of it. And I don't really understand how a double year 0 would work. Are you saying that we have four normal years called 1 BBY, 0 BBY, 0 ABY, 1 ABY? The year 0 BBY would begin when? 14 months before ANH or two? And 0 ABY would be the year after that, beginning at 2 months before or 10 months after ANH? (assuming 12-month calendar) Charlii 08:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- If I recall correctly, it was named 0 BY. -- Riffsyphon1024 15:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- That's it! I knew it was specific in some way, but I couldn't remember the exact word. Anyway, the calendar should read 1 BBY - 0 BY 1 - ABY, with the battle of Yavin taking place during the first half of year 0. Charlii 23:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, it had a 0 mark. Anything between the 0 mark and the 1 ABY mark would be in the year 0 ABY, since it's less than a year after the Battle of Yavin. Anything between the 0 and the 1 BBY mark would be in the year 0 BBY, since it's less than a year before the Battle of Yavin. Thus, there are two years labeled with a "0," and the progression goes "1 BBY, 0 BBY, 0 ABY, 1 ABY," just as you note in your earlier post. Both 0BBY and 0ABY would begin at the exact same time - the Battle of Yavin - but one would count backward, the other would count forward. Incidentally, this isn't much different than the Gregorian calendar, except, having been created before the wide acceptance of the concept of "zero," the Gregorian counter has no zero years at all - it goes 2BC, 1BC, 1AD, 2AD. jSarek 05:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, then I've completely misunderstood. So, the Battle of Yavin took place on New Years Eve the year 0 BBY? Then we have two full length 10/12 month years called 0 BBY and 0 ABY? Charlii 10:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- That's basically what we're been saying, yes. The Battle of Yavin is the 0 point or origin of the calendar. -Fnlayson 15:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- If that is canon, shouldn't Galactic Standard Calendar, 0 BBY, 0 ABY as well as most other year articles be changed to reflect this? Charlii 16:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- Be advised that a lot of the pages (for each year) list the Galactic Standard year, the year after the Great Resynchronization and the year after the Ruusan Reformation. 4 ABY, for example, would need to have two numbers edited. I'd imagine there are many pages that would need to be altered as well. 0 ABY would become year 36 after the Great Resync. and 1001 after the Reformation; 1 ABY become 37 and 1002, 2 ABY become 38 and 1003, etc. The pages of the Great Resynchronization might need to be reviewed for any potential changes as well. Jedi Master Fiolli 18:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, if the above theory is correct, every year in the BBY/ABY calendar would correspond to two years in the Ruusan/GreatReSync caledar. 0 BBY would be 35/36 GReS and 0 ABy would be 36/37. Charlii 20:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
- If that is canon, shouldn't Galactic Standard Calendar, 0 BBY, 0 ABY as well as most other year articles be changed to reflect this? Charlii 16:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- That's basically what we're been saying, yes. The Battle of Yavin is the 0 point or origin of the calendar. -Fnlayson 15:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, then I've completely misunderstood. So, the Battle of Yavin took place on New Years Eve the year 0 BBY? Then we have two full length 10/12 month years called 0 BBY and 0 ABY? Charlii 10:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, it had a 0 mark. Anything between the 0 mark and the 1 ABY mark would be in the year 0 ABY, since it's less than a year after the Battle of Yavin. Anything between the 0 and the 1 BBY mark would be in the year 0 BBY, since it's less than a year before the Battle of Yavin. Thus, there are two years labeled with a "0," and the progression goes "1 BBY, 0 BBY, 0 ABY, 1 ABY," just as you note in your earlier post. Both 0BBY and 0ABY would begin at the exact same time - the Battle of Yavin - but one would count backward, the other would count forward. Incidentally, this isn't much different than the Gregorian calendar, except, having been created before the wide acceptance of the concept of "zero," the Gregorian counter has no zero years at all - it goes 2BC, 1BC, 1AD, 2AD. jSarek 05:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
- That's it! I knew it was specific in some way, but I couldn't remember the exact word. Anyway, the calendar should read 1 BBY - 0 BY 1 - ABY, with the battle of Yavin taking place during the first half of year 0. Charlii 23:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Just to settle the matter: does this crude chart I made approximate the facts on the timeline? With 0 BBY and 0 ABY together forming one whole year? VT-16 19:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
- No, not according to the
New Essential Chronology(I need to double check there). It's a number line thing. Also, see jSarek's explanations above. -Fnlayson 20:28, 27 July 2007 (UTC)- VT-16: Yes, that is how I've understood it. But I haven't been able to find any direct proof of this. The timeline at CIV was a continuous line, so the "0 BY" might just indicate the date, not the entire year. Another thing that complicates matter is that ABY/BBY isn't always used as a formal year designation, but instead as an informal note about the timing of an event: "This story takes place about five years after the Battle of Yavin". Does that mean it necessarily is in the calendar year 5 ABY? I've posted a question about this to Leland, let's see if we get any answers. Charlii 22:25, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
- So, there is no year 0 BBY nor 0 ABY, 0 is simply the event Battle of Yavin, the point where the Rebels change the future of the galaxy. The year prior is 1 BBY and the year after, 1 ABY. That means alot of articles will need a slight date change. :P VT-16 22:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
- Please don't change anything before we get a proper verification one way or the other. The year and calendar articles are enough of a mess as it is... I *believe* that there is a year 0, and that this is the same year as 35 GrReS. But it is also possible that we have two zero years and that every year in the BBY/ABY calendar corresponds to two years in the GrReS calendar (0 BBY being 34/35 and 0 ABY 35/36). Or any of those two versions without any zero year. Charlii 23:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
- So, there is no year 0 BBY nor 0 ABY, 0 is simply the event Battle of Yavin, the point where the Rebels change the future of the galaxy. The year prior is 1 BBY and the year after, 1 ABY. That means alot of articles will need a slight date change. :P VT-16 22:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
- VT-16: Yes, that is how I've understood it. But I haven't been able to find any direct proof of this. The timeline at CIV was a continuous line, so the "0 BY" might just indicate the date, not the entire year. Another thing that complicates matter is that ABY/BBY isn't always used as a formal year designation, but instead as an informal note about the timing of an event: "This story takes place about five years after the Battle of Yavin". Does that mean it necessarily is in the calendar year 5 ABY? I've posted a question about this to Leland, let's see if we get any answers. Charlii 22:25, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Pizza Hut Girl[]
I propose that Pizza Hut Girl and Defeat the Dark Side be merged.Imperialwalker 20:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)