This page is an archive of a community-wide discussion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made in new Senate Hall or Consensus Track pages rather than here so that this page is preserved as a historic record. Per GreenTentacle's last post on this thread, the situation is resolved.Greyman(Talk) 22:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I suggest we move our Main Page to Star Wars wiki. Because of the way search engines work, it would raise our profile. Didn't want to just do it unilaterally though, as it is, after all, the Main Page. At the moment, on a Google search for Star Wars, we come in at 19 — behind even "Star Wars in 30 seconds with bunnies". Not the best place to be. Thoughts? --Eyrezer 02:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I've thought about this, as well, in the recent months. I wouldn't be opposed to the page move at all. Greyman(Talk) 02:14, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I've heard this mentioned a few times, and it sounds good to me. - Lord Hydronium 02:29, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Absolutely. It's sad how low we are on a search for "Star Wars." -- Ozzel 04:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't quite understand the concept. You want to move the name of the Main Page to Star Wars Wiki to get more Google hits? I'll guarantee that we always get the first hit to "Wookieepedia" though. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Um...I was always very used to Wookieepedia. I liked the sound of it when I first visited the site. It's better than others. I mean, you have to admit that "Wookieepedia" is a lot more creative than just "The Star Wars wiki." It combines Wikipedia with a Star Wars related word that sounds similar to "wiki"--"wookiee." So I would be opposed to the idea. Okay, so what if we're low on google? We can guarantee that we'll always be top with "Wookieepedia." I, for one, type in "www.wookieepedia.com" everytime I visit this site. Besides, at this current moment, we come in 8th, not 19th.
1. New Results for Star Wars; NDTV (It just got placed in there only 18 hrs. ago)
2. Star Wars: Welcome to the Official Site; www.starwars.com
3. Star Wars: Episode IV|Episode IV; www.starwars.com/episode-iv/
4. Star Wars (1977); IMDB
5. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005); IMDB
6. Star Wars - Wikipedia: The free encyclopedia; www.en.wikipedia.org/Star_Wars
7. Youtube - Lego Star Wars - For the millionth time i...; YouTube
8. Star Wars - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki; www.starwars.wikia.com
9. STAR WARS ASCIIMATION - Main Page; www.asciima10tion.co.nz
10. Star Wars in 30 seconds with bunnies; www.angryaliens.com
So, I'm opposed to the idea of moving the main page. Whether we come out on which place probably changes over time. Excluding the "new results," we would be 7. Cyfiero II(Comlink) 08:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
It's still called Wookieepedia. "Star Wars Wiki" is just the page name we give to what we now have at Main Page. As for the ranking, note that that's the "Star Wars" page for the wiki, not the main page; which bolsters the argument that moving the main page to a title with "Star Wars" will boost its page rank to that level. - Lord Hydronium 08:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
To both Cyfiero and Riff, before you can search for "Wookieepedia" in google, you need to know we exist. One of the key factors used by google in searching pages is the title. As such changing the main page to Star War "whatever" will increase the profile. As has been pointed out, we're not discussing changing the name of the site. --Eyrezer 08:24, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Wikia suggests it's a good idea, and nothing suggests it's a bad idea. There's no technical reason not to do it, no policy reason not to do it, no community reason not to do it, no historical reason not to do it... Let's just DO IT. -- Darth Culator(Talk) 14:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
So what? We change our name once again to "The Star Wars Wiki"? That name is lame, guys. I'm totally opposed to moving the main page. Per Cyfiero, the name "Wookieepedia" is totally more creative than "The Star Wars Wiki".--Jedi Kasra 14:34, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Just to repeat for those of you not paying attention. This is not about changing the name of the site. The site will still be Wookieepedia but Main Page will instead be at Star Wars wiki. Green Tentacle(Talk) 14:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
ATTENTION: Please READ and UNDERSTAND what we are actually talking about before making a comment, to avoid looking like an idiot. Thank you. -- Darth Culator(Talk) 14:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Would putting the main page at some title like "Wookieepedia - the Star Wars wiki" work just as well as simply "Star Wars wiki"? Or does "Star Wars" have to be the first words in the page title? —Silly Dan(talk) 15:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Wait, just for clarification, so you mean that you're moving the Main Page article name to "Star Wars Wiki" but the name of the site changes? Cuz if this is the case, then I'm still opposed to the idea. So you say that there's no bad reason to move it, but there's a good reason to move it. However, is the "good" reason really a good reason. After all, does ranking really matter? As long as we still appear on the first of second page, we will still be visited often by people unaware of Wookieepedia. And still, what do rankings matter, just because we're low, doesn't mean that we're a bad site to visit. Okay, so what Eyrezer said was, "I suggest we move our Main Page to Star Wars wiki."
I just searched up "Star Wars wiki." We come in 3rd. First is, Wikipedia's article on Star Wars. Then, it's Wikipedia's article on Wookieepedia. Third, is Wookieepedia, our Main Page.
So what about the ranking, we still come in close to 1st. Does it matter if we're first or not? I mean, so searchers would probably click on the 1st link, they'll check out links after that too. If they're familiar with Wikipedia, then they woud click on the link for Wookieepedia's main page.
I've READ and understood what he is trying to say. He says clearly "I suggest we move our Main Page to Star Wars wiki." So what, our rankings always change like...each day?! Again, rankings don't matter, as long as we're still on the 1st or second page, we'll still be visited more often. And people who look up information on Star Wars probably wouldn't search for just "Star Wars." They would be more specific than that. For example, I found Wookieepedia back then because I wanted to look for information on Revan. So I typed up Revan, and he appeared as the second or first hit. So what if the Main Page ranking is bad, the important thing for this site is that people visit it for information and contribute to it, not that the ranking of our Main Page. Anyone who visits any of our articles would probably visit the Main Page then. Cyfiero II(Comlink) 22:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
You should probably read over everything again. We're not talking about people looking up "Star Wars wiki," since they'd have to know of out existence. We're talking about people looking up "Star Wars," which is likely what a casual watcher might do to learn more about Star Wars. And your sig is violating policy. -- AdmirableAckbar(Talk) 22:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
It is?! How? I'll change it, but I need to know how it is violating policy. Oh, and you might want to read over what I wrote again. Cyfiero II(Comlink) 22:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Cus the "Star Wars wiki" thing was a very minor part of what I wrote.
Right. The rest was mostly irrelevant, though. Your signature is supposed to include your username, or some variation thereof. -- AdmirableAckbar(Talk) 22:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for telling me, I mean, no one else seemed to have noticed and it's kind of hard to find policies around here. And, well, how is the ranking important? Cyfiero II(Comlink) 22:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
So, yeah, I don't see how the ranking of the Main Page is important. Marco Lam(Comlink) 23:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
For all of those users who are missing the point: We are not talking about renaming the site. The site name will remain Wookieepedia. Ok? That's it. Wookieepedia. Not the Star Wars Wiki, not the Wonderful Wiki of Star Wars, but Wookieepedia. There, that's out the way. Everyone understand that the site is going to stay named Wookieepedia? Excellent! Now, what Eyrezer first proposed was changing the name of the main page from "Main Page" to "Star Wars wiki". Now, let me remind certain users of something: Renaming the main page to Star Wars wiki, does not rename the site. Like I previously said, Wookieepedia will stay Wookieepedia. Clear as mud so far? Excellent. Moving "Main Page" to "Star Wars wiki" simply means that, eventually, when a user who is interested in Star Wars types "Star Wars" into Google then there is a higher chance that Wookieepedia will be higher on the list than it is now. Again, we're not renaming the site. It will stay at Wookieepedia. However, those people who have never heard of "Wookieepedia" or the "Star Wars wiki" and therefore don't know to search for those terms, are going to search for the topic in question—"Star Wars". Ok, so...what we've now had explained here is, a) the site name is going to stay at Wookieepedia. It's not going to change. It's staying at Wookieepedia. b) We're talking about renaming the main page to the Star Wars wiki, to better direct users, who happen to be searching Google for Star Wars, to our site. From reading the posts of on this page, I believe that the vast majority of users already understand and comprehend what has been proposed. For those users who have posted and don't understand what's going on, please re-read this post I just wrote. Thank you, Greyman(Talk) 23:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Wait…so the site's name is changing? (Kidding! Support) Gonk(Gonk!) 23:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I completely understand that the site name is staying. But what I meant before was that people wouldn't just type "Star Wars" if they're interested in it. No, they'd be much more specific than that. If they wanted to learn about "Star Wars" in general, like its history and stuff, then they would go to our article on Star Wars. I know, I make things confusing and no one ever understand me or what I'm talking about.
Anyways, I don't really have a side. I'm just plain inflexible. I don't even like the new skin, which I can't change in my preferences. I guess it's actually a good idea, in the slightest bit but there's nothing wrong with it. So I guess you have my support, for now, not necessarily during the actual voting if there is one. Marco Lam(Comlink) 23:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Just a quick question; moving the main page to "Star Wars Wiki" change the URL in any way?-LeoLab
Nope, not at all. The url will still be at starwars.wikia.com, and the site name will stay Wookieepedia :) Greyman(Talk) 22:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Support. Our network of bots and redirects can make this transition easily and I suspect that 99.9% of the uninformed users complaining here wouldn't even notice. Atarumaster88(Talk page) 23:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Wait, shouldn't we separate this into sections where it says either "support" or "oppose?" Marco Lam(Contact) 23:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
If we're actually taking it to a vote, we should probably make a CT out of it. jSarek 23:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know the answer to Silly Dan's question above, "Would putting the main page at some title like "Wookieepedia - the Star Wars wiki" work just as well as simply "Star Wars wiki"? Or does "Star Wars" have to be the first words in the page title?" Because I think I prefer his wording, if it works just as well for search engine functions. jSarek 23:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Oppose. In my opinion, it would look kind of dumb in search engines: "Star Wars wiki - at Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki". However, "Main Page - at Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki" makes it completely clear to the reader where they're clicking to, and just looks aesthetically better. I say we keep the main page at... "Main Page", and we'll eventually be in the top search results for Star Wars terms on search engines. Look at Wikipedia; They didn't change their main page's name to "Internet Encyclopedia" or anything like that. They just waited a while, and have now become the #1 result for many terms and phrases. Adamwankenobi 05:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Weak oppose. I actually fully understand what is being proposed and until I read Adamwankenobi's post, totally agreed with it. But I do think that "Star Wars wiki - at Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki" looks redundant to the point of stupidity and I don't think that getting the main page higher on google will be an advertising boost for the site when our article on Star Wars (which seems like it should catch people's eye just as much) is already pretty up there on the search results. So although attempting to increase traffic and our own visibility is a good thing, I'm not overly excited about the proposal anymore. Wildyoda 21:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
We can actually eliminate the redundancy and make the main page show on Google, and in the title bar as, just "Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki". All other pages will still show as "Page name - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki". Then we just make doubly sure by moving the main page to either "Star Wars wiki" or "Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki" and everybody's happy. Green Tentacle(Talk) 22:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
In fact, we don't even need to move the page. I've changed the title and that is apparently good enough. Green Tentacle(Talk) 22:29, 19 March 2008 (UTC)