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This page is deprecated. Discussion for existing topics will continue on this page (although long debates can be moved to either the Senate Hall or the consensus track, whichever one suits better). The "+" button is not present on this page for a reason. - Sikon [Talk] 12:59, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Community Portal revamp (testing)Edit

Take a look at Wookieepedia:Senate Hall. As I understand, the forum tag was designed for Uncyclopedia, but can be used on other Wikicities as well. The name, of course, can change as the Consensus Track discussion progresses (with R2's help, I plan to reorganize the Consensus Track into a dynamicpagelist/forum as well).

The forum tag indeed opens a wide variety of possibilities; it is now used on Wookieepedia:Speedy deletions. - Sikon [Talk] 08:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

  • I like it. --Azizlight 08:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I honestly looked at it for about 10 seconds and then said "Oh, that is just plain awesome." --MarcK [talk] 10:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Nice. RMF 20:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Wizard! -- Ozzel 22:16, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Thank the maker!--DannyBoy7783 00:48, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Beautiful. Just beautiful. --Tinwe 18:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Astral! Kuralyov 18:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Cool stuff. I admit I took a sneak preview earlier yesterday so the wow factor is lessened for me. ;) -- Riffsyphon1024 20:10, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
    • So is it going to replace the current CP talk? And when? - Sikon [Talk] 05:35, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
      • When the namespace issue has been resolved, I'd imagine. --Imp 17:45, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
        • So I presume we'll have to ask Angela for a Forum: namespace? - Sikon [Talk] 18:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
          • Go for it. :) --Imp 19:05, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Alternate VIP reporting Edit

This is a proposed method of flagging a user as a vandal: put {{vip|12:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)|brief description of a user's vandalism}}, and that user will appear on the WP:VIP page (the admins, though, will have to follow the link to the user page to see the reason). The template should be removed after the user has been dealt with. - Sikon [Talk] 16:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Constant Attacks? Edit

  • Whats up mods? who is this guy? --Razzy1319 02:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Page hijackers I dare say. --Azizlight 03:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
    • If you're referring to Shagman/Dank budz/Sandino/et cetera, it looks like we're finally popular enough to attract the more determined spammers. I went ahead and reported it on the Central Wikicity. —Darth Culator (talk) 03:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Overlinking Edit

Is it a tradition now? Someone must have made it their directive to wikify every single occurrence of a term. This is not necessary, and this practice is not followed on Wikipedia. Compare this revision of Manaan with the current revision with excessive links removed. I've seen similar overlinking in First Sith Civil War and some more articles. For the sake of readability, please stop doing this. - Sikon [Talk] 16:05, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

  • The First Sith Civil War looks fine to me. - TopAce 16:07, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
    • It has been fixed too. - Sikon [Talk] 16:08, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
      • I also agree with this, link something only once (if the article is not long enough) - TopAce 16:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Who says "NOOOOO" in each episode when? Edit

I know the following:

Episode I- Obi-Wan says it when Qui-Gon is mortally wounded by Maul. Episode II- I dont know this one. Episode III- Vader says it when he hears Padme is dead. Episode IV- Luke says it when Obi-Wan joins the force. Episode V- Luke says it when he learns Vader is his father. Episode VI- I Don't know this one.

Please help, this has been bugging me for some time now.

  • You know we have a wiki, right? ;) - Sikon [Talk] 08:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
    • What about when Cliff Clavin shuts the blast doors and Chewie yells "Rarrrghrarrgh!!!!!" That's Shyriwook for "Noooooooooo!!!!!" Lonnyd 09:59, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
      • That might be a little too detailed. I don't believe Shyriwook can actually be translated to Basic, at least with ease. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
        • It is never said in ROTJ. The closest thing to it is Luke's "NEVER!" when Vader says "If you will not turn to the dark side, then perhaps she will." But still, it is never actually said, so that bit of trivia that "NOOO!" is uttered in every episode is false. Adamwankenobi 07:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

SVG support Edit

I've been trying to upload an SVG image (as per our Image use policy) but the software refuses to allow it, saying it's "not a recommended file format." I've been playing around my image (it's the Galactic Republic symbol) for a while and the scalability is incredible—are there any workarounds to the upload problem? RMF 09:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

  • SVG uploading is disabled for all Wikicities due to security measures or something like that, ask Wikicities admins for clarification. - Sikon [Talk] 10:32, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Main Page revamp - opinions? Edit

Moved to consensus track. - Sikon [Talk] 09:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


Attention Administrators! I think that it would be a good idea that once an IP address, IP range or User account is permanently banned , it should be noted on their User page that they have been banned and that they should be put under the Category for Banned users. This will make life easier for us so that we know who has been banned infinitely. MyNz 08:35, 14 March 2005 (UTC)

  • You can also see a pregenerated list of banned IPs and users at Special:Ipblocklist. -- Riffsyphon1024 17:54, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't think IP addresses should be permanently banned. Almost all IP addresses are dynamically assigned, so someone's IP today could be different than what it is tomorrow. Plus, in the cases where it is not dynamic, it may be a case of it being a shared ISP, for example AOL or a university; so blocking that IP will block everyone using that ISP. It's probably a good idea to come up with some guidelines on how long to ban people for different offenses. WhiteBoy 21:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Userbox templates Edit

Anyone else agree that we need some sort of regulation on their creation? If you do, go here to vote on the future of userboxes. StarNeptune 03:06, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Now that a vote had decided to limit them to a few, we need to work out the specifics on policy. As this does affect the whole community, head on over and help us create a policy. :) StarNeptune 17:17, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Card Category? Edit

Does anybody think it would be a good idea to create a category titled: Card or something similar, and then put it on any Wiki entry that has a SW:CCG, YJ:TCG, JK:TCG, or SW:TCG card?

Like Beedo is a character, but also a card in SW:CCG, so he'd have the categories:

Rodian:Bounty Hunters:Card

Or something similar.

Any thoughts?

CBenoit 17:15, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

  • If we did that, we'd also have to add categories like "Category: Return of the Jedi" for anything appearing in Episode VI, "Category: Star Wars Galaxies" for anything appearing in that videogame, etc., etc., which we may or may not want to do. (I'm mildly against it, but only because it seems like a lot of work.) Also, we'd want to categorize SW:CCG articles separately from JK:TCG articles. —Silly Dan (talk) 18:57, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
  • This wouldn't help the scheme we already have so I'd have to decline. -- Riffsyphon1024 19:08, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Scheme? CBenoit 12:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
      • I agree with Dan. The implications of such a category would neccesitate a ROTJ category and a Star Wars: Empire #3 category and so on. Such categorization would be a housekeeping nightmare. Lonnyd 12:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Scheme as in what we already use for categories. -- Riffsyphon1024 19:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Babel BoxesEdit

Is there a list of languages and their codes somewhere? I know some italian, but don't know the babel code. -- Doo Doo 04:17, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Maintenance Templates Edit

  • How do I put one of those Maintenance Templates on my userpage? I was doing some sourcing and wookieeprojects and I need to link to easily without searching for a specific user page that has one. --Razzy1319 05:01, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
  • What sort of maintenance templates? -- Riffsyphon1024 22:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks for replying... On topic, like the ones on your user page... the one with the "articles that need to be sourced", "articles that need images", and so on. --Razzy1319 23:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Oh that. Type {{resources}} to get that template. It's quite handy. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:22, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
    • thanks again. --Razzy1319 23:24, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Publisher's Summary a copyvio? Edit

  • I'm doing some of the comic pages and was wondering if it was an issue? Ive done 20 or so pages with the Publisher's summary and it felt like taking attention from their official site. Anyone have thoughts or comments on these? --Razzy1319 07:58, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure on the copyright of publisher's summaries. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
    • If it is a violation (which I don't think it is), then every site like or Barnes and Noble would be violating it too. --Xwing328 22:55, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
  • As a part of promotional information, publisher's summaries are not protected by copyright. --SparqMan 05:02, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Excuse me, they are. Everything is protected by copyright unless explicitly released into the public domain. - Sikon [Talk] 05:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
      • I would say it ought to be alright, so long as we make it clear that it is the publisher's summary, not our own creation. Shadowtrooper talk 17:51, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Infobox help Edit

'Tis embarassing, but can someone good with formatting take a look at Template:Infobox Television episode and tell me what I've screwed up on in writing it? There is too much space on the right of it. Thanks. Adamwankenobi 21:21, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, I fiddled around with it and it looks better now. Is that what you want? Yrfeloran 21:40, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Guess who's trying to catch up?Edit

In case you all didn't know, it seems Wikipedia is attempting or at least have been attempting to clean up their share of Star Wars articles in a Star Wars WikiProject. It's a huge resource over there, that I might have to check out more often, and because I've been away from there for a while I have to catch up.

I almost feel sorry for them considering the constrictions and things they have to abide by when making them, and they'll never really reach the status of our articles, though you gotta give them credit for trying. One of our admins StarNeptune is a member of their Project trying to help them and us at the same time, and I say let's give her a round of applause for being in two places at once and still performing a good job. Other Wookieepedians might get involved, and some already have been doing this stuff before they even joined our wiki.

Also a hilarious parody by those Uncyclopedians was made on our first anniversary. See it here. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Also, give User:Deckiller a big pat on the back for starting the project. Adamwankenobi 22:54, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Kudos to him and you as I see you've been busy over there yourself. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Statistics Edit

  • Did the individual user contribution statistics disappear when MediaWiki appeared? --Razzy1319 23:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
    • What? MediaWiki has always been the wiki software Wikicities (and Wookieepedia) used. What do you mean by individual user statistics? - Sikon [Talk] 01:27, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Found it but its not updated.
  • More stats --Razzy1319 14:09, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Wookieepedia on WheelsEdit

Goodness, the wheels disease has struck us too. I suggest:

  • Blocking users with "wheels" in nicknames on sight forever, like it's done on Wikipedia.
  • Optionally, prohibiting users from moving pages for the first X days since their registration and making a "requests for move" page instead.

- Sikon [Talk] 05:41, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

    • Yes and yes. We already seem to have an unofficial policy about usernames resembling "supershadow," so why not make it official and add "wheels" to it? And I'm surprised we don't have page move restrictions already, so count me in favor of that too. —Darth Culator (talk) 15:02, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Hmm what is this 'wheels disease'? Aiddat 21:52, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Extras in visual media Edit

The (Mentioned only) template works great for minor appearances in text, but it's not so good for species/ships that appear in the background of one panel in a comic book, for instance. Does anyone else think there should be a way to mark such minor appearances? Yrfeloran 21:13, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Would changing the (Mentioned only) tag to a (minor appearance) tag work for everything? That way there wouldn't be two separate tags to get confused. --Xwing328 21:54, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I take that back. (minor appearance) wouldn't work for everything...but maybe it would work just for visuals (aka. comics, movies, etc.) --Xwing328
  • We could create a new template, {{ma}}, that would say simply "(minor appearance)." We could then use that on comics, etc. RMF 05:05, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

List of Users? Edit

Should there be a list of users page? Each active user could add himself/herself. Aiddat 21:49, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

See List of Wookieepedians. Adamwankenobi 21:51, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Tagging the imagesEdit

If a picture is cropped from a book cover, does it get the {{bookcover}} tag or just the regular {{fairuse}} one? --Tinwe 14:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

  • I always use {{bookcover}} even if it's just a section, but that's just me. -- Ozzel 22:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Wookieepedian of the MonthEdit

I have a suggestion for the WOTM program. Every heavy contributor should be added to the list. Every user should make a User:So and So/Contributions sub-page of pages, heavy edits, and images the contributed to the site. Every section for the nominated user could have a link to that contribs subpage, where, judging by the content there, people can vote for that person. Opinions? Lt. 1993 17:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Userbox crackdown Edit

Now that we have implemented the userbox template nomination process, I'm deleting all the templates that currently have less than 5 people using them (except the browser and Zodiac ones). If you want to keep your template, then you can put it as code on your userpage or nominate it for community use here. StarNeptune 19:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

  • To those of you who want to keep your userboxes as code on your page: insert the subst: command inside of the template you want to keep—this is much faster than manually moving the code. Example: {{Death}} should be replaced with {{userbox|#3366cc|#99ccff|[[File:DeathStar2.jpg|60px]]|This User thinks that the '''[[Death Star/Legends|Death Star]]''' was a huge waste of time and money for the [[Empire]], only to be destroyed by [[Rebel]] fighters}} [[Category:Wookieepedians who think the Death Star was a waste]]. When you save the page, it automatically substitutes the userbox code. RMF 19:36, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

French/Spanish Translators Edit

Been meaning to post this for a while, and I figure now is as good a time as any. I'm looking for anyone who can understand either French or Spanish (the written versions, you don't need to be able to speak it) to translate some obscure Roleplaying magazines I own which contain Star Wars material I'd like to add. So far I only have 2 Spanish magazines and about 7 or 8 French ones, so I'd appreciate French more but either is appreciated. I'm not looking for an instantaneous translation or anything, I'll be more than happy to provide people with the material and not get translations for months. Anyway, if you'd like to apply please leave a message on my talk page with contact details, or simply contact me through an Instant Messenger (all my details can be found on my user page) and I'll send you scans of the pages. Thanks in advance to anyone who responds. :) —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 21:32, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Crap...sorry dude, I've been busy the last little while and forgot about it. I'll start working on it again as soon as I can. StarNeptune 04:03, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
    • For shaaaame :P It's not like you have anything better to do keeping the Wookieepedia running or anything. :P It's perfectly alright though, and I now have many more of them. :) —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 04:27, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Question about editing the catergores pages Edit

Just how are you supposed to add in links on the species catergories section? I was going to add some of the individuals that haven't been put into their species catergories pages yet but everytime I click on edit it just brings up the page without the links on it like A B C like that. I just want to add them so that wee can populate more of these catergories. So if you know how to do it just let me know and I'll get started doing the population thing. ImperialBA 14:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

  • If I understand what you're asking, you have to add the category to the individual's page. It will then automatically put it on the category page. Just put [[Category:Whatever]] at the bottom of the individual articles. --Xwing328 01:46, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

That did the trick! thanks for the ehads up on thatImperialBA 14:56, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Manual of Style and "Appearances" sections Edit

I've read through all the "welcome newcomers" information, and I have some questions about article formatting. Specifically, what constitutes an "appearance" in Appearance sections? For example, I know that a Squib character appears in Galaxy Guide 7: Mos Eisley. Should that book be added under "Appearances" in the Squib article? And how are the appearances ordered? Chronologically in universe or by publication out of universe? Finally, should references be formatted more thoroughly than they are in most articles? I mean, instead of simply listing Galaxy Guide 4: Alien Races as a reference, we should list it by Lastname, Firstname (19xx). Galaxy Guide 4: Alien Races. Honesdale, Pennsylvania: West End Games. Is that correct? — SavageBob 14:24, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Just put the name of the article, Galaxy Guide 4: Alien Races, no need for the whole bibliography edition of it. If people wanted that, they could click on the link and it would take them there and then they'd get all the information that they wanted. CBenoit 14:36, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Answers: (1) RPG sourcebooks like GG4 or GG7 count as sources, while RPG adventures and computer games with storylines count as appearances. (2) Appearances are sorted by in-universe chronology, while sources are sorted by real-world publication date. (Some might argue for alternate sorting of the sources, though, like alphabetical ordering by title.) (3) There are several ways to give full bibliographic information (in my field, for example, place of publication would be omitted, and the author's name would not be reversed) making it difficult to find one standard for everyone to agree on. We also have articles (or should have articles) on any work being cited, which would give full bibliographic information. (External links are an exception, but those links would directly give information on their authors.) So, it's been decided to leave it as title only. —Silly Dan (talk) 14:52, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the answers. I'm used to en.wikipedia, where references are given fully and in a standard format. It seems odd that things are abbreviated so much here. Another few questions, then: 1) If something is an appearance (that is, a part of continuity and not a sourcebook), it's listed under "Appearances." That makes sense. But if I use an appearance as a source, do I list it under "References", as well? It would be academically dishonest not to do so, but I wanted to make sure. For example, if Star Wars Author X introduces a character who is a member of the Foo People, that's an appearance for the Foo People. But say Author says in the novel that the Foo People of Foo VII are all purple, and I use that fact in an article on that species. Is the novel listed as both an appearance and a source? 2) Especially with the Star Wars Adventure Journal issues, there are many articles per issue. It would seem more beneficial to give a specific short story or article title than to simply list the issue number. Should this be done, even if each short story/article doesn't (yet) have an article on it? — SavageBob 15:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Technically, novels and movies and TV show episodes are where the subject makes an "appearance" so those would go under Appearances, whereas Galaxy Guide is an informative reference guide that gives information on the subject, so that would be a source. Other sources include Inside the Worlds of..., Visual Dictionaries, Making of... Books, Star Wars Insider (unless it's a short story), etc. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
      • True, but Wookieepedia is not Wikipedia. Since we're constantly citing the same references, abbreviated citiations are OK. Anyway: (1) Our Layout Guide doesn't have a "references" section; or, rather, the references are split between Appearances, Sources, and External links. So, if you use information from a source, put in in Appearances, Sources, or External links, as appropriate. You only need to list it once. (2) It does make sense, especially for short stories or articles which are cited in a lot of articles, to specify both the specific source and the general source it's collected in (i.e. "Spare Parts" in Star Wars Adventure Journal 11, "History of the Mandalorians" in Star Wars Insider 80, etc.) We haven't specified how to do this yet: if you want to make suggestions on the Layout Guide or Manual of Style talk page, please go ahead. —Silly Dan (talk) 22:27, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
        • Thanks for the responses. I checked the "Wookieepedia is not Wikipedia" link, and all it deals with is the fact that stuff that Wikipedia considers fancruft is mostly OK here; nothing about dumbing down our standards of verifiability and citing sources. I'm guessing that if something is listed under "Appearances", though, it's a de facto source. If this is so, it should be explicitly stated so somewhere to allay the fears of cite-sources pedants like myself who are well-steeped in Wikipedia's source-citation culture. :) — SavageBob 04:12, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
          • Hey, we're not dumbing down the standards of verifiability and citations at all! We're just simplifying the style of citations, and separating references in stories from other sources, that's all. (As for the "We're not Wikipedia", we're planning on adding something about how our policies on other things aren't exactly the same. So, um, pretend we already added that.) —Silly Dan (talk) 04:19, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Main imagesEdit

I've heard people say that headshots are prefered for primary images that go in the infoboxes. But when I look at articles for many main characters, they have full body shots. Is there an actual guideline? (As for my 2 cents, I say as long as it's a long enough article, as complete a picture as possible would be nice.) -- Ozzel 22:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

  • In some instances we may only have the headshot for a character. There hasn't really been a guideline on this, unless its in the Manual of Style and recently added. I always assumed the most information should be given in the infobox, including the physical appearance of the character, from head to toe if we have it. All images with scenes should be excluded as promo shots are preferred for the infobox. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I've interpreted it as the infobox picture being like a portrait. Not necessarily a headshot, but preferably a tighter shot to portray the character in more detail. Full-body shots tend to be too long in proportion as well. - Lord Hydronium 02:04, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Attention welcomers Edit

Template messages in the user talk namespace (e.g. {{welcome}}, {{anon}}, etc) should always be substituted. There are a variety of reasons for this, including reducing server calls, recording actual messages for posterity (as opposed to an easily modifiable template), and reducing possible vulnerability to vandalism. To do so, simply insert "subst:" inside the curly brackets and before the template name (example: instead of Anon, {{welcome}} it should be Anon, {{subst:welcome}}. This inserts the actual template code into the article (in this case, simply text). I know some of you are already doing this, but more would be better. If you have any questions, just leave me a note on my talk page. Thanks. RMF 04:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC)