This page is an archive of a community-wide discussion. This page is no longer live. Further comments or questions on this topic should be made in a new Senate Hall page rather than here so that this page is preserved as a historic record. 1358(Talk) 21:11, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
So, we we now have a notability policy for species, thanks to the recent Mofference. Just to get the sour grapes out of the way, I think it's pretty lame that something like this was passed at a Mofference rather than brought to a wider CT; the choice of Mofference to pass this meant that there was no opportunity to debate this more carefully, as should have been the case with our first official notability policy, in my opinion. I really had wanted to participate in the Mofference specifically to voice my opinion about this part of the agenda, but an emergency stay in the hospital prevented me from doing so. C'est la vie. But it still sucks.
But now that my grousing is over, I wanted to bring up a potential issue with the proposal as passed. To wit, as worded, the proposal only really seems to work for sentient (or potentially semi-sentient) species. The opening line—"If an individual is of a unique and unnamed sentient species that does not appear elsewhere, that species should not receive an article; instead, the character's physical appearance should be described in the individual's article"—assumes that there is an article on the character, but we tend not to do this for non-sentient creatures.
So, my question is what should we do about non-sentient creatures for whom there is no character article to scoop up information we delete due to their being non-notable as species? Should we convert them all to character articles? ~Savage 18:35, January 27, 2014 (UTC)
To clarify, the policy is only for sentient species. We haven't touched on the issue of semi- or non-sentient species yet. CadeCalrayn 18:49, January 27, 2014 (UTC)
I think the sentient species policy would be a good template for non- or semi-sentient creatures. (Very few changes would be needed to apply the policy to droid models, for that matter.) Applying them with few changes might mean that particular creatures of unidentified species would be more notable than their unidentified species...which sounded better before I wrote it down, so maybe that's not the way to go for non-sentients? —Silly Dan(talk) 19:02, January 27, 2014 (UTC)
Just to echo Bob's comments: an IRC meeting should really not be the medium for big community decisions. It undermines the whole point of having a Consensus Track. I'm aware that doing that on-wiki is slower, but it also allows more users to have their say. It's more democratic. Stake blackmsg 18:55, January 27, 2014 (UTC)
It might be better if Mofference agenda items were given in more detail, allowing for a bit of pre-discussion. —Silly Dan(talk) 19:02, January 27, 2014 (UTC)
Please do not derail this thread with your Mofference complaints. Stay on topic.JangFett(Talk) 19:08, January 27, 2014 (UTC)
Well, the easy solution for now may be to change the page to say "Sentient species" where it currently says "Species." Does this require CT? But I agree with Dan; if this is the route we want to go, we should probably apply this to all species and to droid models as well. I hate this route, as I think it confuses our conceit to be an in-universe encyclopedia, but that's a topic for another SH. For now, we need to iron out whatever kinks may be in the policy from the Mofference. ~Savage 16:58, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure why the heading is titled "Species", but you're correct, it should be just Sentient species. I'm trying to contact an admin to change it now, as that was my initial proposal. CadeCalrayn 17:57, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
I was working from memory when I created the policy page, as neither the minutes nor the log had been posted yet. Obviously my memory sucks, as usual. :P —MJ—Holocomm 22:39, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
Minutes and log say "sentient." Correction made. -- Darth Culator(Talk) 18:00, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
OK, problem solved. Thanks, guys. ~Savage 19:54, January 28, 2014 (UTC)