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Should we have a "stable versions" mechanism like Wikipedia does? Of course, the Star Wars continuity evolves, but so does real life. We could at least start with subjects that are unlikely to be significantly changed by future canon. That would be handy if we sometime decided to release, say, a CD or printable version. - Sikon [Talk] 18:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

  • What exactly are stable versions? Kuralyov 18:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
    • See Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Stable versions. - Sikon [Talk] 19:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
      • "Print versions are liable to manifest print editions of Wikipedia that are of different set of general topics such as an edition for Wikipedia:Vital articles or an edition for high school mathematics. The goal is to sell these print editions and make their appearance on Amazon.com. We as a community of Wikipedians have a profit motive for this program to direct the revenue towards the maintenance of Wikipedia." If we were to release a print verion, who would profit from it? Also, would it be considered a copyvio if we do release a print version? StarNeptuneTalk to me! 19:32, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
        • Why should it be? I fail to see how an "unofficial guide to Star Wars" is worse than, say, an unofficial Microsoft Word manual; we're not releasing an unofficial Star Wars story, after all. Some, or more, images may need to be removed, though. - Sikon [Talk] 19:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
          • If we're making a profit off of it, I can see Lucasfilm getting upset. If not, they may still raise a stink over the fact that we are using their copyrights (or maybe they won't...I don't know). Either way, we would pretty much be releasing a new (unofficial) version of Star Wars Encyclopedia without their consent. Until I find out more about the possible legal ramifications of this, I'm iffy on the idea. StarNeptuneTalk to me! 20:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree with StarNeptune on this one. Kuralyov 20:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Who would decide which version of the page was stable? I can imagine that some users would spend more time arguing about it rather than actually editing the article in question.–SentryTalk 21:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Ahem, creating an unofficial version of the Star Wars Encyclopedia is precisely what we are doing! They would have no reason to sue a site providing an ISO image with selected Wookieepedia articles than they would to sue Wikia for providing our database dumps - or hosting us altogether. - Sikon [Talk] 04:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
        • We're not making a profit off of this website. Making a profit off of a printed reference book is another story entirely. StarNeptuneTalk to me! 08:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

The main point of having stable versions would be in preparation for a CD/DVD release, which isn't a bad idea but would entail a large amount of work. Users would have to go through every article on the wiki to ensure that the release would be vandalism-free, and find some way of changing our XML database format into a cross-platform media presentation. Also, it would probably be best to contact LFL before doing anything if we plan on going through with this, though I'm not sure what there response would be (there are arguments both ways, from their perspective). Regarding pricing, I think (if we do it) it should be priced just enough to cover our overhead – the CD/DVD media, whoever we hire to do database conversion/disc burning, and other miscellaneous costs. That way, it would be strictly non-profit.

The other option with stable versions is to have them in a different namespace (for example Stable:Wookieepedia to complement the existing Wookieepedia article) or as subpages (such as Wookieepedia/Stable). The interface could be modified to have another tab to make it easy to switch back and forth (see [1]). RMF 21:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

  • I completely and utterly fail to see the point of releasing a hard copy -- the only thing it would accomplish is ticking off LFL. Who's going to want a hard copy? Who's going to need a hard copy? How are they going to get it? If they're ordering it over the internet, why can't they just spend their internet time on the actual website? If they don't have internet access, what are we going to do? If we print up a nice professional version to distribute through brick-and-mortar stores, we just have another Another Hope on our hands. It's a lot of work for little or no benefit. Unsigned comment by 67.142.130.33 (talk • contribs).
    • The way I see it, a hard copy could have several advantages:
      • Because articles would be checked, it would be vandalism- (and, perhaps, fanon-) free, enhancing credibility
      • It would be able to be used in locations where an internet connection is impossible
      • It would offer much faster load times, and alleviate bandwidth considerations (such as the poor soul on dial-up who dares to load Palpatine)
      • It would spread awareness of Wookieepedia outside of the SW-web circle (handing them out conventions/etc could be good promotional tool)
    • Then again, there are disadvantages:
      • Quite a bit of work for an unknown audience size
      • Could be costly (and who pays?)
      • Arguments over which revision is stable and related discussions could be ultimately distracting in terms of wiki growth
      • Could draw the ire of LFL, esp. given our plethora of 'fair-use' images RMF 23:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
    • This is not the same as Another Hope. We're not trying to sell fanfiction. Provided the stable versions are free from fanon, of course. - Sikon [Talk] 04:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Even *thinking* about raising money using Star Wars material would be A Very Bad Idea. Yes, certain things are allowed by fair use, but we don't have the money to hire a lawyer to review our material to see whether we meet them. jSarek 08:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
    • I didn't specifically mention making money. We can make the stable versions available for free. - Sikon [Talk] 09:13, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, most of this discussion has been predicated upon that concept. If it isn't raising any money, it should be no less acceptable than Wookieepedia as a whole. jSarek 09:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

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