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Is there anyone here who shares my rather extreme views of the Star Wars Universe? --Namely, that the films imply that once Darth Vader and Darth Sidious are destroyed in Episode VI, the Sith are completely destroyed forever and can never come back, no matter what. This makes most non-film Star Wars fiction non-canonical (like Mara Jade could not have existed as an Emperor's Hand, and there could not be clones of the Emperor). This view stems from two things, mostly: Yoda's statement that once you go down the Dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny (thus it is impossible for anyone other than the Chosen One to turn from the Dark Side to the Light); and the Prophecy of the Chosen One, which predicted Anakin's bringing of balance to the Force, which I believe means the destruction of the Sith. (This however does not mean that a Jedi can't become a Dark Jedi.)

So to summarize, I believe much of C-canon and below is false and only G-canon is our true continuity.

Is there a term for SW fans like me? Is it 'purist,' or something like that?

And is there an article that explains these beliefs thoroughly, and if not, shouldn't we have one?

Thank you all for your help.

  • I doubt there are many people here who follow exactly your views, since most of our articles are on EU-only subjects or articles which mix film and EU canon without any attempt to separate the two. Of course, we all recognize that the movies trump EU stuff. And, let's be honest, I'd bet a lot of people here would like to knock some EU stuff out of canon (Drop a planet on Chewie's head and burn Coruscant to the ground, will they? Bah.) even if we accept all of it when editing articles here. However, this is definitely a faction within online Star Wars fandom. I don't know what it's called, and am thus not qualified to write the article, but if we have an article on Fandalorian, we may as well have one on your POV. —Silly Dan (talk) 00:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree with Silly Dan. "Purist" or maybe "movie purist" is probably the best term. It's already listed at List of terms in Star Wars fandom, but I'd say it deserves its own article. -LtNOWIS 00:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
      • The "purist" view, in my opinion, is flawed and irrelevant. The expanded universe is canon, isn't that what has been officially stated? So if the EU is officially canon, then the "purists" are officially wrong and incorect in their view. Just my opinion though. 151.203.179.161 00:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
        • It's not irrelevant to this project if a lot of people hold those views, though. And they do have a point when they say some EU may take some work to fit with the movies without contradictions in continuity or in theme. —Silly Dan (talk) 00:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Is there a strong correlation between "Movie purists" and Han Shot First-ers, I wonder? 8) —Silly Dan (talk) 00:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

  • My motto is "One cannot pick and chose their canon". Believe me, I would love nothing better than to declare the NJO and KOTOR II non-canon, but we can't so don't bother. And with such things as Han shotting second makes him look less of a Badass, just remember that he was smuggling the Galactic equivalent of heroin on a regular basis. And besides, there is the possibility that Yoda may have been wrong (Suddenly begins fidgeting as he realizes everyone is giving him a dirty look). -- SFH 00:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Well it's not much, but I created this article: Movie purism/temp. See if it's any good; if not, improve on it or discuss its heavy flaws. --qrc 20:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't think we should have that article at all. The Expanded Universe is completely canon. You can't just say "The Expanded Universe never happened". That's not right. If we have a "movie purist" article here, does that really make us a Star Wars Encyclopedia where we have canon and only canon (except for some non-canon stuff, but this idea isn't even close to the non-canon stuff) items? No, it really doesn't, because we'd have an article that says stuff like "Mara Jade cannot possibly exist, the clones of Palpatine cannot possibly exist...", which is wrong, because all that did happen. I suggest that we remove this new article on movie purism once and for all. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:50, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
      • Including the article doesn't mean we endorse its views. —Silly Dan (talk) 21:56, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
        • Ditto Dan. It's a part of the culture, and so we should have an article. However, it does need to be greatly expanded from its current form, as it now covers the only "far edge" if you will, of movie purism.--The Erl of the SH Archive/Star Wars 'Orthodoxy' Article? talk What I do 23:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
          • Well, if we're going to keep it, it needs some serious work and something needs to be done to show it's a user's point of view. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
            • Most Wookieepedia uses in-universe point of view to write, and those view are based on Wookipedia's canon policy, which base on Lucas Licensing Holocrons department. Wookieepedia's Canon article already contains enough info about the level difference between EU & Movies. Darth Kevinmhk 05:42, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

One thing that we should remember as well, and i know that it is not in the movies adn is EU, but Vader and Palpatine were not the last of the Sith, and no im not talking about the weak Emperors hands or Dark Jedi, Exar Kun still exsisted, he may need a body, but all of the Sith Secrets are preserved in his memory and spirit adn if he got a body again the Sith Order would be brought back. DarthVaderwillriseagain 23:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)DarthVaderwillriseagain

  • Exar was completely destroyed on Yavin IV by Luke's students. Darth Kevinmhk 02:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
  • You reminded me of another thing to add to the article when I get a chance: it is impossible for anyone of the Dark Side to become a spirit / get eternal life. There is no support in the films for Sith ever getting eternal life, and the most logical conclusion one could reach is that only Jedi can get it because it is, again, drawing another line to religion, the Heaven-Hell thing. In any Abrahamic religion, would non-repenting sinners get eternal life? No. Clearly only Jedi, the more powerful and more righteous, got the reward of the preservation of their conciousnesses. Really, to me, "movie purism" is just turning Star Wars into its own full religion. And I like it that way. --qrc 04:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
    • To tell the truth, I dislike Star Wars Movies Purism very much. I love EU even more than the movies XD Darth Kevinmhk 04:44, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

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