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There was some discussion earlier about the timeframe when the Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game took place. Due to the recent EduCorps meeting, I have started this discussion so we can determine the era when the game took place. From what I remember playing Star Wars Galaxies, the game occurred after the Battle of Yavin and included events that went up to and included the Battle of Hoth. I was under the impression that the events of the game occurred during the same timeframe.
Here is the evidence that the Trading Card Game took place during the Galactic Civil War and around the time of or after the Battle of Yavin:
In The Shadow Syndicate there is a card of Dathcha who was one of the Jawas killed by stormtroopers in Episode IV. (While this would be before the Battle of Yavin, the card could still take place in the Rebellion era.)
Here's everything that I was able to find that would help with era placement, now please discuss what we should do about era placement below.
If I missed anything important, please add a bullet to this section:--Exiled Jedi(Greetings) 04:34, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
From what I can see the time placement for characters, items, and events that have no specific timeline placement can be placed in the Rebellion era, but without any mention of being before or after the Battle of Yavin. I feel that the few problematic elements should be treated as inconsistencies.--Exiled Jedi(Greetings) 04:34, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
The biggest spanner in a theory is a Wall of Light, an image definitely showing a TOTJ event, which was even reused in the Galactic Timeline series later. The answer is that the card images were just that... card images. They could depict events from years before or after 1 ABY when the rest of the Galaxies was set. For the most part it can be roughly attributed to Rebellion era, but examples such as Datcha and neutral smuggler Mara really don't fit in, so it'd be wrong to assume the same for others.
The campaign scenarios themselves definitely happen at a set period of time though, not necessarily the same time as the rest of cards in the set. Galactic Hunters is explicitly set after the Squadrons over Corellia campaign and for the most part the others form a straight progression, with Champions of the Force happening at the same time as SWG proper, The Nightsister's Revenge being explicitly 2 ABY and The Price of Victory taking place entirely during Episode 5. My biggest problem was always The Shadow Syndicate campaign - it just has too many ties to the Shadows of the Empire, it just HAS to happen during that time to make sense. The game itself doesn't seem to get that point though (Galaxies wasn't good on continuity in the first place), so I had to forcefully take it out of the context and place after every other campaign, up to The Price of Victory. It just falls apart logically otherwise.
What about articles like Frex Junara? Even if you discount all of the unidentified articles, there are still some that are without a doubt fully identified characters and items.--Exiled Jedi(Greetings) 13:48, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
You know my opinion on this - he's different, because he's identified in the card's lore which was written by game designers and approved by LFL, same case with others that were given proper name. Others have no such excuse: for example the only reason Unidentified Jedi hermit exists at all is because I was trying to abuse WP:POINT by making minor articles for every character ever depicted on a card. Most people have no access to the game, so they only made articles like Unidentified Dark Jedi (Cho sun) and Unidentified Dark Jedi (Force drain) based on the images someone else has already uploaded on the wiki for proper articles. If, however, you go through every illustration made for the game (2,000 of them!) and assume everyone not named directly is a new unique and separate unidentified character, then - oh, boy! - you end up with at least 1,000 minor useless articles, if not more. I was trying to illustrate the absurdity of allowing such articles to exist in the first place, but got bored less than 100 articles in and ,frankly, after seeing the horror that is Unidentified snow planet I regret doing that at all. Also, I am fully aware I took the discussion and used it to illustrate the point on the unrelated issue that concerns me, thank you very much. LOST-Malachi (talk) 15:20, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
Mauser, please keep the discussion of this forum and all forums focused on their intended topic. You seem to find a way at every opportunity to turn a forum discussion into another off-topic rant about articles you think are not notable and shouldn't exist. This is getting to the point that it's simply becoming disruptive. That has nothing to do with the purpose of this forum. The purpose of this forum is to discuss what era(s) we should apply to this trading card game. If you can't keep your discussion from veering off, then perhaps you should consider staying out of the discussion. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:02, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
I already stated the facts. The illustrations range from at least shortly before the Battle of Yavin (Rise of the Empire era) to sometime after the Battle of Endor (New Republic era), not to mention Clone Wars and TOTJ elements throughout, so assuming Rebellion era by default is highly inaccurate. For example Exar Kun was a ghost both in Galaxies and Jedi Academy trilogy, but SWGTCG card shows him in physical form - and guess what image is in his infobox now. As for notability - I started this thing in the first place, albeit indirectly, so I think it is relevant to the discussion. I remember when things like that Unidentified Human (Center of Being) first started to appear back in 2009. It seemed like an oddity back then, I was more concerned about Groceries and things like that. If I may quote the person who originally started the trend (don't worry, WP:NPA and all that), "I really was just bored and didnt see the harm in it... it really doesnt matter to me". And because they were allowed to remain back then, other users saw it as acceptable practice and started making "unidentified" articles for other images already uploaded (but not unused ones! nobody ever bothered to check for individuals on images that weren't already on the wiki). And then suddenly they were promoted as status articles and the deal was set in stone. The problem is, I honestly do not get it - why would you want articles for everyone ofthoseguys when they contain no information whatsoever and are nothing but ballast. Not just the era symbol, but the very existence of all those articles comes down to failing to stop a frivolous initiative of one user years ago, which is why I questioned the article's accuracy in the first place and why I find it relevant. LOST-Malachi (talk) 21:26, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
I'm not reading another rant of yours, Mauser, because it's too long, and I don't care. Do not derail this discussion with your off-topic ranting about article notability. If you have something to contribute to this discussion specifically related to how eras apply to this card game, then by all means contribute. Otherwise, drop the notability discussion. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:48, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
The preceding line of discussion is being contained in the App Hide template for its off-topic nature so as not to disrupt further legitimate discussion relating to the purpose of this thread. Please post relevant responses below from this point forward. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:08, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
I've been trying to find an article which states it without luck but during the time that the Battle of Echo Base was a new addition to SWG, the developers said that it did not technically further the timeline of SWG and was just meant to be a fun "Star Warsy" moment for players to experience. I don't know how relevant this is but just thought I would mention it. OLIOSTER(talk) 13:37, September 3, 2013 (UTC)