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Browsing through Star Wars The Clone Wars 12: Hero of the Confederacy, Part 3 I noticed an interesting thing: When Anakin gets a prototype Eta-2 Actis-class light interceptor to play with, he mentions to Ahsoka that R2-D2 was applying his colors to it (see it in the preview). That's right, his signature colors. Apparently, the TCW writers decided to apply signature colors to the Jedi starfighters, taking some colors from the Episode III as a basis. See, by this time we've seen the so-called Anakin Skywalker's Delta-7B Aethersprite-class light interceptor blown up at least three times: in Downfall of a Droid, The Clone Wars: Bait and Star Wars The Clone Wars 11: Hero of the Confederacy, Part 2, and every time he gets a replacement one, painted in his colors. Yet, for some reason we assume it was all the same starfighter, somehow mysteriously retrieved and repaired several times. I suggest we reconsider our approach to the Jedi starfighters from TCW, so that our articles will not assume it is always the same one while it is unproved. Thoughts? MauserComlink 03:58, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
- I agree. It always bothered me that we assumed it to be the same ship despite it being repeatedly destroyed. I honestly think we should treat Jedi Starfighters the same way we treat any other—just link it to the class, not an individual ship. We don't have an article for Axe's V-19 Torrent starfighter, after all. These shouldn't get special articles just because they belong to Jedi. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 04:33, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
- I would add, however that obviously starships that are given nmes, like the Azure Angel, or have some other significance due to special modifications or confirmed repeated appearances deserve aricles. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 04:37, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Playing devil's advocate here. None of the sources show the craft being obliterated–just damaged. Therefore it is entirely conceivable that the ship was recovered and repaired each time. And this new source doesn't contract that, nor does it confirm anything really. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 04:41, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
- If it's not confirmed or denied either way that doesn't give us permission to assume it's the same ship. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 04:54, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Hear me out, as I said, I'm playing devil's advocate here and I'm not really convinced one way or the other. Though I am still leaning towards it being the same ship. We know Azure Angel II isn't the ship as Azure Angel because we see it completely and totally obliterated in Clone Wars Chapter 17. It is not possible that it was simply reassembled. That is not the case here. Each time we have seen Anakin's Delta-7B damaged, but not destroyed. There is every probability that it was recovered and repaired each time, however, as you said, that is not explicitly spelled out. Just because of a comment made about "Anakin's colors" on a new experimental starfighter in no way, even remotely, indicates that his Delta-7B was ever completely destroyed. Therefore, we shouldn't consider changing how we approach Jedi starfighter's. as the heavier logical weight of "proof" still lies on them being the same starfighter. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 05:16, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
- I understand what your saying, but we don't make decisions based on the weight of shakey theories. We make them on proof. Although it is possible that the ships were recovered and rebuilt each time, it's never confirmed. Nor is it confirmed that they are replaced and repainted each time. At the moment, the article is operating under the assumption that it was recovered and rebuilt each time, but if there's no proof, then the aricle should be changed or split up to reflect that. I'm obviously not advocating for 6 or 7 different articles on Anakin's fighter, so I instead we suggest that we just treat Jedi starfighters the same way we do anybody else's: no article unless it's given a name or some other kind of significant and unique identification. Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 05:26, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
- It's not a shakey theory. I'm going to use Mauser's own arguments here as a basis. Unless and until we see the ship completely destroyed, it's the same ship. Since every Delta-7B we've seen Anakin flying looks identical... in Mauser's words... whenever something looks like a bantha and smells like a bantha, it must be a bantha. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 05:42, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, for start the timeline of the Downfall of a Droid doesn't match up. Right after the return from the Bothawui space, we see Anakin undertake that mission to suspected space or something, too little time is implied to have passed for the starfighter to be repaired. And the one they dumped in the Bait... did't it blow up with the rest of Dooku's frigate? MauserComlink 05:46, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Key words – implied and didn't it? – too little time is implied, but we don't know how much it really was, after all, it was shown that they found the damaged ship in the debris field. Who said Dooku's frigate was destroyed?
How do we know, while Rex and Ahsoka were engaged with the frigate as Anakin and Obi-Wan pursued Dooku, that Ahsoka didn't board Dooku's frigate and recover Anakin's Delta-7B?After all, it wasn't even really damaged. It was merely rigged to appear damaged. Also, Artoo was in the starfighter when it was pulled into the hangar of the frigate. But only Anakin was captured. Therefore, as Artoo was seen later in the timeline, he must have been the one who flew the fighter out. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 06:06, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Key words – implied and didn't it? – too little time is implied, but we don't know how much it really was, after all, it was shown that they found the damaged ship in the debris field. Who said Dooku's frigate was destroyed?
- . . . whenever something looks like a bantha and smells like a bantha, it must be a bantha. Unless we have Anakin telling R2 "Get out another bantha suit, and make sure you stink it up real good this time." If we had a quote like that, we'd have good reason to scrutinize how we handle articles on banthas. jSarek 08:45, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
- Well, for start the timeline of the Downfall of a Droid doesn't match up. Right after the return from the Bothawui space, we see Anakin undertake that mission to suspected space or something, too little time is implied to have passed for the starfighter to be repaired. And the one they dumped in the Bait... did't it blow up with the rest of Dooku's frigate? MauserComlink 05:46, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
- It's not a shakey theory. I'm going to use Mauser's own arguments here as a basis. Unless and until we see the ship completely destroyed, it's the same ship. Since every Delta-7B we've seen Anakin flying looks identical... in Mauser's words... whenever something looks like a bantha and smells like a bantha, it must be a bantha. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 05:42, January 18, 2010 (UTC)