This page is an archive of a community-wide discussion. This page is no longer live. Further comments or questions on this topic should be made in a new Senate Hall page rather than here so that this page is preserved as a historic record. 1358(Talk) 20:35, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
Hey gang. I noticed earlier that Cade had removed the era tags for the Pre-Republic era on the years that take place before 37,000 BBY and the Before the Republic era on the grounds that it is not a publishing era and should not be included in the Eras template in the first place. I think we should talk about this as a group, and update it if we decide to keep it.
No, the Pre-Republic era is not a publishing era. It was never intended to represent a publishing era, to my knowledge. It is a mark that says "this event took place before the publishing eras" and I think that's a worthwhile reason to keep them. This predated, but fits with our choice to signify that something is "timeless," such as a planet, by having no era icon. "Timeless" is not something that describes the year 13,000,000,000 BBY. Without them, our aesthetic choice signifying that becomes confusing.
The main problem with the template, as it sits, is with the icon used to represent it. I've brought this up before. Before Dawn of the Jedi came out, we used the Star Forge as the logo, but we switched to the Before the Republic era. It is confusing to use the current icon, and I hope whoever decided to use that did not intend for that to be permanent. But permanent is pretty much what it became, and it's high time for an update, if there is will to keep it at all. In the Senate Hall thread I linked above, suggestions for a replacement include Centerpoint Station, the galaxy's swirl, and a literal ">36 BBY" (I'd think that would be in two rows, a big ">36" and a smaller "BBY" under it to fit in the box) to avoid it being confused with an official era. Thoughts from anyone? NaruHinaTalk 21:24, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
First, I'm going to note that I have reverted the removal of these tags solely on the basis that something used across the wiki for nearly six years should not simply be overturned on a whim and needs discussion first. Now as for my opinion, I would prefer the literal ">36 BBY" (though that should be ">36K BBY"), as that sets it apart from the others and makes clear that it is not an actual, official publishing era icon (which otherwise is unclear to the casual fan not familiar with this subject and our handling of it). —MJ—Jedi Council Chambers 23:56, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
As I've said before, the pre-Republic era is not a publishing era, which is the entire point of the eras template, so it shouldn't be included there. Personally, I'm in favor of something like this, which is what we use on the Timeline of galactic history because we a) don't have a name for the era and b) don't have an image for it. I don't even link the eras template should link to anything with the image, as there isn't an era to link to. CadeCalrayn 00:12, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
The problem that using a question mark is that it suggests to the reader that we are unsure what era it is in, which is not the case as we know that it is before any of the official publishing eras. Therefore we need an icon that makes that clear with no ambiguity. —MJ—Jedi Council Chambers 00:59, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
I'll echo that the question mark would be confusing and that having the era tags serves more of a purpose than showing publishing era (is it timeless?), but I do think having it be linkless would be acceptable. I'd prefer the link, because even though Pre-Republic era overlaps with a publishing era that it's the oldest era in Star Wars canon and goes back forever at this point trumps that in my eyes, but I don't see it as strictly necessary if we went with the text icon. ">36K BBY" and then the drop down caption would be self explanatory without it. NaruHinaTalk 01:52, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
It would be 37K BBY. The Before the Republic era is 37,000-25,000 BBY. CadeCalrayn 01:57, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
Look, we all know what we mean with the text box. x3 NaruHinaTalk 01:58, September 5, 2013 (UTC)