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In order to stop an edit war between G. Admiral Nebulax and Mr. Quinlanfan, I thought I'd better ask: why don't we allow information on toys in articles?

Toys are as vaild a part of the Expanded Universe as anything else, and really, if we're going to cover as much as possible, such information should really be covered. Of course, nothing extenuate; perhaps just a listing (or maybe a gallery?) of various plastic-ized versions of the article subject that have been released, perhaps under a "Merchandise" header. Comments? Thoughts? Rants? - \\Captain Kwenn// Ahoy! 22:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

  • We're not We're an encyclopedia. Only necessary OOU information should be in the "Behind the scenes" sections of articles. If people want to find out if Hasbro is coming out with an Alpha-17 figure, is the place to go to, not Wookieepedia. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 23:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
  • You couldn’t do it for every article that has a corresponding toy but if an article doesn’t really have many appearances or sources but had a toy, like most of the mini-rigs, then it’s totally acceptable. Of course this seems to be the current stance on this matter. Leader 00:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
    • As taken from my talk page: Wookieepedia is an advertisement for Star Wars, yes, but not And if we were to incorporate toy sections into articles, what's the limit? Obviously we couldn't stop at action figures. We'd have to include lightsabers, vehicles, bottle caps, Burger King toys, etc. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Perhaps each article that has a corresponding toy could have a small note that a toy has been made of it but no further information. If somebody was glancing through the site, found a character or vehicle that they like, and saw that a toy had been made of it, well then they would know and could go search for and purchase said toy. Leader 01:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
        • Except, as I said above, there are many types of toys, and action figures and vehicles notes wouldn't cut it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 01:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
          • I think it's reasonable that if toys have been created for the subject of an article, then they can be mentioned in that article in a "Merchandise" section. For example, it's nice to know how Mara Jade has been incorporated into merchandise. Obviously the film characters will have a lot more merchandise devoted to them; in extreme cases, we can start a new article, eg Darth Vader merchandise. And we can set limits as to which toys are significant enough to mention. It doesn't have to be "all or nothing". --Azizlight 01:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
            • But my point is, if merchandise were to be included, some people would add information on every single toy ever made. In fact, let's just keep products to their manufacture's article instead. That way, the information is still present, but not in the articles themselves. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 01:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
              • I agree with Azizlight. Only use really notable ones like Hasbro (maybe just Hasbro) and only if they're something special like the first for that character. Chack Jadson 01:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
                • That will just end up inciting collectors to add every bit of information on toys and other related merchandise they can find. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 01:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
                  • It probably deserves its own Wiki. If that happened, then we could just have an external link. Eg. Darth Vader on Star Wars Merchandise Wiki. --Azizlight 01:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
                    • I'd go for that. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 01:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
                      • Nope. It's Star Wars so it goes here.--Herbsewell 01:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
                        • I like the idea of a link to a seperate collecting wiki. If not that, keep merchandise on the manufacturers' pages or lists, and not on individual articles. —Xwing328(Talk) 03:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

We do have one article based entirely on an action figure already (Jorg Sacul) so there's precedence for treating toys as sources in some cases. On the other hand, we don't need details on every single toy which had Darth Vader's face on it in the Anakin Skywalker article, so I suggest we'd only use toys as a source if they don't duplicate or contradict a published source. I do like the idea of a collector's/merchandise wiki, though I wouldn't contribute to it at all due to a lack of expertise. —Silly Dan (talk) 04:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I agree totally with Silly Dan. The point of this encyclopedia is to cover all of the information available about the Star Wars universe. If that information is presented in the form of a toy- such as the above example- then we include it, provided it meets the same standards as everything else- mainly that it does not contradict other canon. If we look at a toy as a source, then cool. As for turning wookieepedia into a catalog of action figures, yeah that would seem more like advertisement to me and the information would really only be covering the physical OOU plastic figures, not IU information. If there is something unique about a certain Darth Vader doll worth knowing, throw it in the Behind the scenes. --Wildyoda-talk-contribs-Yoda cartoon 06:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Total agreement with Wildyoda. Unless the toy has new IU information or is particularly noteworthy, there are too many types of toys and we're not here to advertise anyway. I'm under the impression that we're here to document mostly canon and IU stuff, with a sprinkling and assortment of various OOU topics such as authors, books, VIPs, etc. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Audience Chamber) 06:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
      • I'm really not seeing why people instantly dismiss toys as a "lower" form of EU. Technically, what's the difference between listing all the books Darth Vader has appeared in, and all the toys that bear his image? Both can include C-canon info, and both are articles of Star Wars merchandise. We are the Star Wars wiki after all, so we're supposed to be as complete as possible. For starters, I don't see why a list of Kenner/Hasbro toys would hurt an article. And if it works, then perhaps further toys could be added - \\Captain Kwenn// Ahoy! 08:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
        • Written works have to go through some kind of proper QA before being published, but toys can be pretty much anything. Just recently there were ads for a Slave 1 which transformed into a Boba Fett mech or some dumb crap like that. It's obviously non-canon, it's pretty dumb, and it would serve no purpose in being noted in any article. I agree with Wildyoda: Toys which have an actual influence on canon are fine, and noting the important ones is fine too, but to steal Jack's line, we don't want to list every Burger King toy. I do agree that a separate SW merchandise wiki with applicable links here would be perfectly fine, however. Uxviii 09:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I say we have some information on at least the more notable toys. See Darth Tater and Spudtrooper. -- Riffsyphon1024 08:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I agree. Notable toy information here; the rest goes on a Star Wars merchandise wiki. Then, we can create a template similar to the "gallery" template to provide a link to an article's corresponding article on the merchandise wiki. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
      • I just realized that Aziz's Wiki Proposal harkens back to the day I proposed this wiki. :) -- Riffsyphon1024 12:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
  • A vote has been brought up at Forum:Action figures, though I think this should be discussed in more detail first. —Xwing328(Talk) 20:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
    • That reminds me. We need a separate vote option for a Star Wars merchandise wiki. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
      • The wiki has been requested. To support the request, go here. G.He(Talk!) 22:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
        • why cant they just label them all are they afraid of "viruses" oh no help an evil virus!!!!