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I am increasingly concerned with the amount of user page fanon like User:Drake_Zanzabar/The_Reaper. They seem like a delightful gateway to inviting fanon additions, or to confuse uninformed users about what we do here. Thoughts? --SparqMan 02:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, if it gets as bad as Mike Kazz and his clique, then we might want to consider some restrictions or having them put it into a subpage. -- SFH 02:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm also concerned, but I don't think there's much we can really do about it. I mean, we could prohibit it entirely, but then we're also punishing the users who have it in moderation. And I'm not really comfortable with telling users what they can and can't have on their userpages (within limits, obviously – some content just isn't allowed, but I'm not talking about fanon here). I think the best idea is to kindly redirect them to the fanon wikia, where they can allow their imaginations to run wild. RMF 02:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
If they reach 32 MB of data on their page, the threshold for safe editing, they should cease immediately. I came across this last night with Sato Stars who ran out of room and moved his info to 15 subpages, and then back after jSarek and I intervened. All others with this much fan creation AND do not contribute to the wiki with the same intensity should be dealt with. Punish the few. Reward the rest. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't see why any of it is necessary. User subpages should only be used to assist in Wookieepedia related work. This misc. use isn't helpful, and worse than using it as a journal or other stuff that users at Wikipedia do, because it's fanon. --SparqMan 02:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Feel free to list all users with overwhelming fanon and we will discuss the list in a week. I'm out. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
    • What, I'm curious, is the other non-appropriate information for user pages? Is there a list? Returning to the matter at hand, I wholeheartedly agree. Of course, I've always felt that all these fake bios are pretty lame. Limit them! Cutch 03:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Things like racially/sexually inflammatory content or any generally polemical themes/prose aren't appropriate for user pages, in my opinion. That's what I meant when I said within limits, and I think a majority of people would agree with me. Upon reflection, I do concede the need for a user page policy – taking into consideration content like I just mentioned, in addition to fanon and the like. RMF 03:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
        • Regarding User:Drake_Zanzabar/The_Reaper, I don't think it should be acceptable to use the title tag to disguise the fact that it's a userpage. But as for the topic in general, it certainly wouldn't bother me a bit if we banned userpage fanon entirely. Fanfiction completely goes against everything we are about here at Wookieepedia. However, I know some people are into it, so as long as they restrict it to their main userpage and don't spam up the Recent changes page by not using the preview button when they edit continuously...I can tolerate it. -- Ozzel 03:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
            • The point of userpages isn't about their whole life story. I have a small-ish part of my page about my fanon life. I don't, however, believe you should take advantage of Wookieepedia by having more than one subpage for only your fanon. Your userpage and 1 sub-page MAX should definitely be enough. If you still feel like arguing, I'm sure the SW fanon Wiki would love to have you as a member.

--DarthCow--Talk| Email 04:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm okay with some limited fanon on someone's userpage; telling us about yourself in Star Wars terms can actually tell us a fair amount about who you are in the real world. But breaking the 32k soft limit, or expanding onto user subpages, is simply going too far; if you've got that much fafdic to write, it should be taken to a more appropriate forum. And using the title tag to avoid being seen as a user page is RIGHT OUT - I'm going to delete that as we speak. jSarek 08:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't see a use for ANY fanon here. It's confusing and it's unneeded entirely. Take RP and fan lit elsewhere, this site is meant to inform, not to confuse and ambiguate. I just took a look at that Mike Kazz kid's page, and I hate to put it this way, but I literally got sick. I come to this place for info on a (albiet fictional) universe and story that I hold near and dear. To think that kids like that could be here everyday and just screwing around like that, getting corrected for EVERYTHING they do but never banned, make me wanna chuck. Abin_Skyaler 05:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I've already made my feelings about this known on my userpage, but it bears repeating. I think that people who come here soley to edit their userpage with an elaborate fanon bio and way too many userboxes have no place here. If all they want to do is write stories, they can go to the fanon wiki or MySpace. StarNeptuneTalk to me! 09:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • It is worth noting here that User:Sato Stars, while attacking SuperShadow...his user page has quite a high amount of fanon. This I find hypocritical for someone devoted to wiping off the web a noted fanonist SuperShadow. Sorry, Sato Stars, I can't help noticing such things. MyNz 9:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
    • You might boviously call me bias towards allowing it. But i believe its not really a problem having a userpage with fanon on it. If they provide a note (like i do) that the information is the users personal false biography then i don't see a problem. I agree however that if the page went past the 32 MB that the information should be cut down. Jasca Ducato 15:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
      • All true, and the fact that users can create their own biography ( iwht ofcourse a note as Jasca said above ) could prevent them from 'nicing up the page' in other words write things in Canon pages that are none canon. Galedze 20:03, 12 juni 2006 (UTC)
        • This simply ISN'T a place for fanon. It DOESN'T belong here. There's a completely SEPERATE wikia for it. Doesn't that satiate you enough? Things like this make the difference between places like UrbanDictionary, where anyone can post something and have it kept on the site, no matter how ridiculous, useless, stupid, or otherwise non-factual, and Wikipedia, where moderaters scour for errors, check sources, and generally make sure that the info being posted isn't total crap. Take it elsewhere. Abin_Skyaler 14:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
          • Well look at you page Abin, its got personal information you wrote up! Its fanon, ban him!!! Chill out!!. Theres a reason its a User page, its for the User to edit as he/she wishes. Its their page to do with what they want (within the law ofc). And no, the SWfanon wiki doesn't satisfy my needs, i don't like fanon being posted on proper articles, i don't mind it being posted on Userpages! So you can take your moaning elsewhere! Jasca Ducato 18:38, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
            • My user page doesn't have anything pretaining to the SW universe. THAT'S the difference. If someone hit random page and came to my page, it couldn't possibly be mistaken for a canon character's information. Many fanon pages can. If you kids wanna play pretend, that's fine, bt a source guide for REAL information isn't the place. Abin_Skyaler 14:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
              • I didn't think the Random Article function included user pages? - Kwenn 18:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Firstly, don't insult me by calling me a KID!!! Coz, like i did eith Mike Kazz, i will get quite pissed off! Secondly, like Kwenn said, it doesn't come up on Random Article so unless they actually click on a link with my username on it they wont get to my page! Stop acting like a kid and research your facts before you post them! Jasca Ducato 18:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Oh, no. I might upset someone on the internet. Give it a rest. The stuff doesn't belong here. There's a seperate wikia for it, this place is for FACTS. Seriously, what's the use of having a fanon page for your character here, other than being able to say "other people don't want it here, but I kept it, aren't I such a rebel?" This isn't a roleplay site. Abin_Skyaler 14:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree yet again with Jasca, I mean it is a 'personal page' so you schould be able to edit it as the user wishes. And many fanon pages with a none canon biografy have a big note ontop of the page wich say: THIS CHARACTER IS COMPLETELY MADE UP BY A FAN AND THERE FOR NONE CANON. or something like that. So that schould say enough and if people then still think it's a canon page they schould make an apointment with the doctor to check their eyes.Galedze 21:04, 12 juni 2006 (UTC)
      • Alright, then. I'll inform Wikipedia that they should go ahead and integrate the Uncyclopedia with the real deal, so long as they put a banner saying "THIS PAGE IS CRAP" on top of it's pages. There's no USE for it. Sure, freedom of speech, it's their page, let em do what they want with it. But, if it has no PURPOSE, there's a seperate, designated place for it, and it's causing a problem, why keep it? Abin_Skyaler 15:03, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
        • I don't see how it is causing a problem. The only way to access subpages is through the user page; they're simply extensions of that page, and not really part of the Wookieepedia - Kwenn 19:05, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
          • First of all many fanon pages have a note above that it is none canon, second of all there is no need to act like a small child jeloes of other peoples creativity and last but not least tell us what is the problem!?Galedze 21:14, 12 juni 2006
            • Um, are you daft? If there weren't a problem, this entire talk page and topic wouldn't exist. All you have to do is read the page to see people's arguements against it, not too tough really. I have a character of my own, I have had the same character for years, played him in many different roleplay sites, IRCs, etc... BUT I didn't bring it here. Why? Because this isn't the place. There are plenty of other places for it, that support it entirely, even those that are made SPECIFICLY for that purpose. Wookieepedia isn't one of them. Abin_Skyaler 15:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
              • Why? It's allowed on your user page; you can put anything on there - Kwenn 19:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
              • That's not true. I can't fill my user page with racial, sexist, or otherwise derogatory statements, nor I can use foul language in excess. It'll get editted. There are limits. Short of that, to continue along with your theme, sure, you can put most anything on your user page, within reason. You can also eat icecream out of your sattelite dish, or install a toilet into your favorite recliner... But why? There are specific, designated, and more apropriate places for those things, and the same goes for roleplay and fanon. There's an ENTIRE other wikia for it. Abin_Skyaler 15:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
"Sure, freedom of speech, it's their page, let em do what they want with it."
―Abin_Skyaler

Thanks for proving my point Abin, conversation closed.

Its not even affecting you personally, i for one haven't mentioned you on my userpage, i didn't even know you were a member before today! Just leave it ok! Jasca Ducato 19:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Also, like you said, if you look at this page you will see a lot of peoples arguemnt for allowing fanon on a userpage!!! Jasca Ducato 19:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • ...And others arguing AGAINST it. The difference is, it's causing a problem for one group, and having no affect on the other. There's no BENEFIT to having it here, but it's obviously causing other's distress. Why cause problems if there's no purpose? Abin_Skyaler 15:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • And there are actually people who like to read these pages, so if you don't like it ignore it the only way you can get on a page like that is a direct link to the user itself.Galedze 21:26, 12 juni 2006
  • I like to read pages about guitar manufacturing, or the Matrix... but I don't come here for it. And, since it's not here, I don't try to put it here. This isn't the place. If it's not canon or there to DISPROVE it's canonity, it doesn't belong here. Abin_Skyaler 15:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Why? Because you might want to eat ice cream out of a satellite dish (in response to the post you just removed, Abin). It's called personal choice. And since these are personal pages; you can't just arbitrarily tell people what and what not to put on their own pages. And it's not causing "distress", don't get so dramatic. - Kwenn 19:28, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I didn't remove it, it was a double post. Read up. Anyway, yes, personal choice, do what you want, you're a big boy, so on and so forth. But if eating ice cream out of your sattelite dish means the rest of your family can't watch TV, or having a toilet in your recliner makes your family sick from the stink of septic in the living room, then you shouldn't be doing it. Abin_Skyaler 15:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Ah where totally on one line here Kwenn, Abin to say it simple it's a personal page most people have none canon above it and you don't just get on the pages so stop your ( i don't even know waht you are trying to achieve) but leave it at this, you anti freedom person! Galedze
  • besides personal page and a user with the note none canon scoudl say enough.Galedze
  • Abin, could you explain just how a personal page is affecting others to the extent you equated it with? And I did read up: you removed a paragraph from your post. That's not a double post - Kwenn 19:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I think we schoudl just stop the discussion because it's leading to no where I mean not everybody can apresiate creativity.Galedze
    • And i'm getting pissed off! Abin, before i flip! The pages are not affecting you so leave them alone! If you wanted to put fanon on your userpage then i wouldn't complain. If you put fanon on the Luke SKywalker page then i would! The userpage is for the User to edit for him/herself. Like Galedze said. Its going nowhere. Just leave it alone! Jasca Ducato 19:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • READ. UP. It's not that tough. It's the same paragraph (the one starting with "That's not true," right before Jasca quoted me). Stop being petty, the topic isn't about me editing my posts (which I didn't, mind you). As for how it affects others, look at Mike Kazz's talk page, and all his little cohorts. There's enough corrections, modifications, and edits to his and their pages to demonstrate just why fanon and excessive, needless user pages are a problem. It's pretty simple. Creativity has it's place, but your own ideas and opinions don't belong hand-written in Webster's dictionary, and fan-created, roleplayed, non-canon information doesn't belong here. As for Jasca, I didn't start this topic. So, obviously, others are aposed to this needless nonsense as well. Abin_Skyaler 15:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Just drop it.Galedze
  • I'm not the only one here that's against it. They're simply just not here at the time. Abin_Skyaler 15:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Thats it! You want an arguement, you got one! So READ UP ABIN!!!!!

Stop being PATHETIC!!! The userpages are NOT affecting you so leave them the f*** alone!. As for Mike Kazz and his friends, the've done other stuff to get everyone against them other than make faon user pages. I don't hate Mike Kazz for that! He's entitled to his own userpage. I hate Mike Kazz for insulting me a while back!!!!!! AS for starting this conversation Abin, I KNOW you didn't start this conversation, but you sure as hell just hijacked it!!! I DONT CARE if you've edited your messages! I never even mentioned that so don't start complaining about that! CREATIVITY HAS ITS PLACE, ONE OF THOSE PLACE BEING THE USERPAGE OF THE USER WHO CREATED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You've lost. GIVE UP!!!!! Jasca Ducato 19:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC) Sorry if anyone other thatn Abin was offended. It was not my intention.

  • No offense, Abin, but you're arguing about the use of a bit of made up information on an Internet encyclopedia about a fictional universe; because, in case you didn't know, Star Wars isn't actually real. So it's all false information anyway, since none of it happened. Live and let live, dude - Kwenn 19:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
  • damn... I wanted to say that :pGaledze Jasca don't even waste your energy on that guy.

...Wow. Excessive capitalization, exclamation marks, and foul language really makes you seem like a level-headed, intelligent, mature person. Your family must be proud. It's pointless. You kids want to pretend, so I guess they'll let baby have what it want. There may be seperate places for it, but it seems these roleplayers want their cake and to eat it, too. I realize the SW universe is completely fictional. Does that mean I can edit General Veers' page and say that I am, infact, his long lost grandson? No. While this fanon crap may not be quite that drastic, it's just as silly in context. Abin_Skyaler 15:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

"Does that mean I can edit General Veers' page and say that I am, infact, his long lost grandson? No"
―Abin_Skyaler

Oh my god! Those this guy ever pay attention!

And as for foul language? I remember putting a ***, if you want foul language i'll say the full word. And you want a reason why i put that?

"…You kids…"
―Abin_Skyaler

Thats why! End with the insults are grow up! 19:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

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