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I put this earlier on the related talk page, but received no response, so I decided to bring it to SH. The Template:Kotor has grown ridiculously huge. What's making it worse is that it combines basically everything affiliated to the Old Republic era, which is constantly being expanded by different media. If we continue to put everything with Old Republic in title in one single template, it will be as huge, as a non-existent template, which contains allClone Wars-related media.
My suggestions are:
Remove Miniatures and Roleplaying scenarios altogether. Scenarios from other eras do not belong to any templates, nor should this ones.
Purge Miniatures ad. It's a non-canon spoof anyway.
Move the comic series, short stories and the Handbook to a different template.
So, in the end we will have two smaller templates - one with the games, two Tales comics and most of the guides and another one - basically with everything written solely by John Jackson Miller. Both tempaltes will of course cross-link each other.
I'm waiting for responses and suggestions. Mauser 11:08, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Though I do believe that the ad should be kicked off, it isn't even set in the Old era, I think that the template should be kept as is other than that. All of the other things are expansions on the Knights of the Old Republic saga, they are set in the timeline and expand the backstory. The comics definitely expand on it. Unseen ans Shadows expand on it. The miniatures and roleplaying sets really expand on it. The guides do as well. As well as the short stories. All of it is relevant except for the miniatures ad. Also I would like to point out that it does not contain anything pertaining to Bane or TOTJ, other things in the Old Era, as those are seperate series, so it is not growing into something all pertaining. This split is very unfounded. NaruHinaTalk 13:58, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Though I admit that you are absolutely correct and most of this media expands on the original KOTOR, they do not present a single storyline like Dark Forces saga. The main reason I propose the split is because when used for comic issues, story arcs and TPBs the current version of the template provides clearly excessive information (it's too big!). Also note that it is the only template for an ongoing comic series which does not list info on individual issues and TPBs - only on story arcs, and we cannot include this info because it will make the template even bigger. That is why I want to make a more suitable template for the comic series (which will also include short stories and Handbook, which expand on the comics) and make two templates cross-ref each other. And while I never doubted that miniatures ad can be easily taken away, I also propose to remove the role-playing info as well. See, other Miniatures Scenarios expand on the Original Trilogy, NJO and Dark Forces saga, yet they are not in respective templates. Mauser 17:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm all for removing the Miniatures stuff (obviously the ad too), but I'm leaning towards keeping the rest of the stuff in the template. Chack Jadson(Talk) 00:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I really think that if the other things have to go, the comics stay as it is actually "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic." Also, this template is not bigger than some of the other templates like TCW Episodes. I do think the other stuff should stay. As well, even if there were a template for the comics issue, that would be much bigger than this. NaruHinaTalk 14:03, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, how about that: remove scenarios, remove the ad, keep the comic series in place; but instead make the template more broad so it will not be as long? Mauser 15:03, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I really think that if you leave it the same size but take the other stuff out, it won't be big. However, I do think we should keep the scenarios. It won't be that much longer with them. NaruHinaTalk 07:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me, but aren't you a little self-contradictory? How is it supposed to get shorter if we only take away the ad? Making the template broader is one way, removing Miniatures scenarios is another. This scenarios are all short stubs anyway and none of the non-KOTOR related ones are present in any other templates. Mauser 11:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm saying get rid of just the miniatures ad, yes, I also say change "Miniatures and Roleplaying scenarios" to just Roleplaying scenarios becuase they do not have figures to go with the adventure, apparently. You could make the template broader to shorten it, I agree, I just don't think it is all that long anyway. Its not like Lightsaber. That one has smaller text and is about the same size as this one, maybe smaller text would be better than gutting the template. I also think that TOR should go under "Other video games" as it is a spin-off, not a sequel, it barely can be called part of the series at all, but I won't press that issue. NaruHinaTalk 03:16, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
First, if you check the scenarios in the template, you'll see that there are scenarios for both RPG and Miniatures game present. Second, multiple scenarios for other eras do not belong to any templates, even if they are set during NJO, X-wing Alliance or Dark Forces. Third, most scenarios articles are short stubs, but from what I can read they do not actually expand on KOTOR saga, but instead simply present a short roleplaying adventure (actully someother scenarios are not even canon). In the meantime while still waiting for a permission to remove all scenarios from the template, I'll go ahead and purge ad, since everybody seems to agree on this one. Mauser 13:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I just looked through them, and none of them have minis to go with them. And those are not on the template, nor should any non-canon material. Capture of Revan expands on the story, as do some of the others. I don't think multi era games were brought up. And if you look up the scenarios and not just look at the articles, the scenario might. Remove non-canon material, nothing else, even if it just added a ccharacter, it belongs. NaruHinaTalk 02:17, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
and so forth. Does it prove that 5 of 7 scenarios in the discussed template are Miniatures game scenarios? Please note that I do not doubt the canonicity of this adventures, I simply propose to remove them from the template, because
Even if they do add something to the original story, the contribution is minor, more a spin-off than a direct sequel.
This is an encyclopedia, and it requires unification. Since the case of Template:Kotor is an exception from other cases, I simply propose to bring it to the same state other templates are in. Mauser 11:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Alright fine. Though as I said before, TOR is a spin-off more than a sequel. Its not like that template change will really affect me, I just like having all the info in one spot. But, go ahead and change it. NaruHinaTalk 06:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. As there were no other objection, I'll go ahead and change it. Mauser 10:01, 13 December 2008 (UTC)