Forum:Save the Gotals

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So, I'm making a go at saving Gotal from losing its FA status, but it's a tall order. Basically, the article, while still well written, was made a Featured Article in another era, when we didn't require that all sources be mined for information before a topic could be considered comprehensive. I plan to do all I can for the article, but, realistically speaking, I don't think I'll be able to do the amount of work needed on my own. For that reason, I'm listing the appearances and sources for the article below, with the hopes that other Gotal-huggers can pitch in and add missing information. The Gotal article doesn't currently do this, but I'd suggest sourcing to individual page numbers/chapters/issues whenever possible.

If you decide to help out, please strike out any appearance or source you have consulted and added info from so that others can focus on those that remain. Oh, and know that the Gotals love you! ~ SavageBob 00:40, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Appearances

• "Ruins of Kabus-Dabeh" — Tales of the Jedi Companion
• Tales of the Jedi: The Freedon Nadd Uprising
• Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 39: Dueling Ambitions, Part 1
• Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 40: Dueling Ambitions, Part 2
• Knight Errant
• Star Wars: The Old Republic, Blood of the Empire Act 1: Shades of the Sith
  • I checked this one, and there's a horned alien near the end of the comic that could be a Gotal, but it has no fur, which makes me think it's more likely a Devaronian. I'm removing this one from the main Gotal article. ~ SavageBob 17:45, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
• Millennium Falcon (Mentioned only)
• Star Wars: Darth Maul 3
• Cloak of Deception
• "Survivors" — Star Wars Tales 13
• "Incident at Horn Station" — Star Wars Tales 2
• Anakin to the Rescue
• Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter
• Star Wars: Republic 19: Twilight, Part 1
• Star Wars: Jango Fett
  • Noting to add, really. There's a Gotal pictured here at a bar on Coruscant, but creating an Unidentified Gotal patron (Twirling Twi'lek) just for him/her seems overkill in my opinion. ~ SavageBob 16:05, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
    • Had to create this for another article... --Eyrezer 02:24, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
• Coruscant Restricts Immigration — HoloNet News Vol. 531 #51 (content now obsolete; backup link) (Picture only)
• Gotal Guerillas Hijack Commuter Hopper, Take Hostages — HoloNet News Vol. 531 #52 (content now obsolete; backup link)
• Gotal Standoff Ends Violently — HoloNet News Vol. 531 #53 (content now obsolete; backup link)
• Quick Poll — HoloNet News Vol. 531 #53 (content now obsolete; backup link)
• "Elusion Illusion" — Star Wars Insider 66
• Boba Fett: Maze of Deception
• Jedi: Count Dooku
• Star Wars: Blood Ties: A Tale of Jango and Boba Fett 1
• Twi'light Storm
  • What info I could find added. I've asked Purpilia for confirmation of Gestal's death in the adventure, as I couldn't find mention of it. ~ SavageBob 16:31, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
    • Confirmed that info comes from CSWE and sourced. ~ SavageBob 06:34, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
    • I see you've ordered the article appearance list to place Twi'light Storm in c. 22 BBY. I'm just curious about your reasoning for that, because if you've found a source to specifically date TS, I would be very happy to know about it, because of the vagueness of Living Force dating. I ask because the combined interation of the Living Force Campaign Guide and Philology would suggest a c. 21 BBY date, because the LFCG dates the Living Force campaign to 31 BBY, and Philology pushes the campaign ten years into the future from that date. --Jinzler 14:40, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
      • I think it's based on the Noric Gestal article, which lists a range of c. 22 BBY to 19 BBY. I erred toward the larger side of those two, but as the "c." shows, I didn't want to profess any certainty. I've moved the appearance down, though, to fall at the bottom of the 22 BBY range. ~ SavageBob 16:15, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
        • Fair enough, that should probably be okay. Although it is probably worth mentioning that the dates given in the Gestal article seem to just be derived from the fact that he died during the Clone Wars, as they are not given in either of the sources he features in. --Jinzler 10:31, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
• Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures (video game)
  • The game won't run on a Mac, so someone else will have to do this one. :( ~ SavageBob 08:00, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
• Star Wars: Clone Wars — "Chapter 21"
  • Gotal in the crowd on Coruscant. I suppose we could do an Unidentified Gotal (Coruscant crowd), but it seems superfluous to me. ~ SavageBob 04:32, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
• Star Wars: The Clone Wars Volume 1: Shipyards of Doom (Mentioned only)
  • There's a character who vaguely looks like a Gotal, but he's got large, pointed ears, which doesn't match other depictions of the species. I'm going to remove this one from the main article. ~ SavageBob 05:07, December 16, 2010 (UTC)
• Star Wars: The Clone Wars Volume 5: Deadly Hands of Shon-Ju
• Star Wars: Republic 62: No Man's Land (Silhouette) (Cover only)
• Star Wars: The Clone Wars — "Sphere of Influence"
• Star Wars: The Clone Wars — "Corruption"
• Star Wars: The Clone Wars — "The Academy"
• Star Wars: The Clone Wars — "Evil Plans"
• Star Wars: The Clone Wars — "Pursuit of Peace"
  • Unless I'm missing something, just some random Gotals roaming Coruscant streets and way in the background. ~ SavageBob 00:24, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
• "Spy Girls"
  • There's a Gotal who at the same party as Padme on Coruscant. It hardly seems worth an article, but if pressed, we could do Unidentified Gotal (Bezz Drexx's party) or something. ~ SavageBob 04:07, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
• The Cestus Deception (Mentioned only)
  • Asajj Ventress is compared to a Gotal on the hunt; no new info. ~ SavageBob 03:51, December 16, 2010 (UTC)
• Cloak and Vibroblade
• MedStar I: Battle Surgeons
  • Chapter 5: A Gotal referee is overseeing the teras kasi match. Winchester 327 08:35, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
• Labyrinth of Evil
• Star Wars: Dark Times: Parallels
• Star Wars: Dark Times 15: Blue Harvest, Part 3
• Evasive Action: Recruitment
• Evasive Action: Prey (Mentioned only)
• The Hutt Gambit
  • In Chapter 11, while Mako Spince is giving a speech to a crowd of smugglers on Nar Shaddaa, an unnamed Gotal encourages him with a shout of, "Go on, Mako!" This is when he, Han, and Xaverri are making plans and rallying smugglers to fight the incoming Imperial fleet. Winchester 327 08:35, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
• "Tinian on Trial" — Star Wars Adventure Journal 4
• Tales from the Empire (Includes reprint of "Tinian on Trial")
• A Hunter's Fate: Greedo's Tale webstrip
• Nightlily: The Lovers' Tale audio drama
• Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (First appearance)
• Nightlily: The Lovers' Tale
• "Be Still My Heart: The Bartender's Tale"
• "To Fight Another Day" — Star Wars Adventure Journal 6
• Star Wars 23: Flight Into Fury
• Star Wars 29: Dark Encounter
• Star Wars 31: Return to Tatooine
• "Only Droids Serve the Maker" — Star Wars Adventure Journal 10
• Star Wars Droids: Apple Jacks Comic Strip
• The Star Wars Holiday Special
• River of Chaos
• Template:SWG
• Template:SWG
• Star Wars 46: The Dreams of Cody Sunn-Childe
• Secrets of the Sisar Run
• The Politics of Contraband
• Elusive
• "A Fistful of Credits"
• The Abduction
• Star Wars: X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter (Mentioned only)
• Mos Eisley Adventure Set
• The Truce at Bakura
• "A Credit for Your Thoughts" — Star Wars Gamer 2
• Star Wars: X-Wing Rogue Squadron: Masquerade
• Star Wars: X-Wing Rogue Squadron 9: Battleground: Tatooine, Part 1
• X-Wing: Wedge's Gamble
  • Chapter 19: Gavin and the Rogues are at the Azure Dianoga and a Gotal is seated in the next booth over. After some stormtroopers leave, the Bothan Asyr Sei'lar asks Gavin to dance. When he declines, the Gotal, having misread his emotions, names Gavin a liar and a bigot, and the aliens capture him and the other Rogues for their own anti-Imperial purposes. Chapter 23: The Gotal's name is Mnor Nha. Nawara Ven defends Gavin against the charges of bigotry, but the aliens decide to execute Gavin anyway; Mnor was about to shoot him when the gathering is broken up by Imperials. Winchester 327 08:35, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
• X-Wing: The Krytos Trap (Mentioned only)
  • Chapter 3: Leia explains to Wedge why Tycho needs to be put on trial—"That shouldn't have anything to do with Tycho, but it does because Tycho is a human, accused of a heinous crime against a fellow Rebel and a man who is now a hero. If we do not bring him to trial quickly and let the trial take its course, we will be accused of favoring a human. People will suggest that were Tycho a Gotal or Quarren, we'd have tried, convicted, and executed him inside of a day. That charge is baseless, but it's critical we avoid any appearance of favoritism." And Chapter 16: Iella Wessiri is a witness at trial and describes her CorSec partnership with Corran—"Some partners get to know each other so well that they almost get this Gotal-sense of being able to read each other's moods and react in situations without a word being spoken." Winchester 327 08:35, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
• X-Wing: Solo Command
• The Courtship of Princess Leia
  • Chapter 1: A bearded grey Gotal diplomat is standing next to Mon Mothma when the Hapans arrive. Chapter 5: Han is playing sabacc against several individuals, including this same Gotal. He is grey-skinned and playing with his eyes closed, using his sensory horns to probe the other players' emotions. The Gotal called Han's bet and raised him 40 million credits; he then had to shield his left horn against the overwhelming nervous emotion he felt from Han, and this caused the other players to call Han's bet. Later the Gotal misread Han's excitement that they were both doing better than the other players, thinking Han simply had him beat. In the end, Han won the game and the Gotal ambassador collapsed into "barking" noises that Han took for sobs. Winchester 327 08:35, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
• Tatooine Ghost
  • Chapter 4: The holocube of Anakin Skywalker (after winning the Boonta Eve Classic) is auctioned off and won by a "shaggy-chinned Gotal in a much-patched jumpsuit." The winning price was an "amazing" 1,300 credits, and despite the fact that the Gotal looks very poor, "the smile on his flat face could not have been wider" because Anakin is somewhat of a legend. Winchester 327 08:59, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
• Dark Force Rising (Mentioned only)
• The Last Command
  • Chapter 10: Talon Karrde meets some contacts at the Whistler's Whirlpool on Trogan; Mazzic is accompanied by a Gotal named Lishma. When the party is ambushed by Imperials, Lishma is killed in the ensuing firefight, despite the fact that he was unarmed. Karrde is genuinely saddened by this, as he had "always rather liked the Gotal people." Mazzic was even more hurt by the loss of his friend Lishma, as was Par'tah, another contact. Lishma's death spurred them to pay the Empire back. Chapter 15: Karrde is ruminating on the Force-hunting abilities of his vornskr Drang, and on Force sensitivity in general, and reflects that the Gotal race has a fairly useless form of Force sensitivity. Winchester 327 08:35, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
• Relic
• Classic Adventures, Volume 4: The Best of the Journal
  • Just a reprinting of Relic. NaruHina ^Talk 09:02, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
• Children of the Jedi
• Planet of Twilight
• Shield of Lies
• "Two for One" — Star Wars Adventure Journal 15 (Mentioned only)
  • I couldn't find this reference -- although I wasn't using a text searchable version. --Eyrezer 23:37, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
• The New Rebellion
• Dark Tide II: Ruin
  • The Gotal species is never mentioned in this book and none of the characters that our list says apperared in the book were Gotal. NaruHina ^Talk 08:47, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
    • Looks like there's a Gotal bum in an alley in Chapter 16 who gets scared away when Anakin and Chalco come near him. He seems extremely minor, but probably worth another "Unidentified Gotal" article, I guess. ~ SavageBob 15:44, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
• Agents of Chaos I: Hero's Trial
• Agents of Chaos II: Jedi Eclipse
• Balance Point
• Recovery
• Star by Star
• Destiny's Way
• Force Heretic III: Reunion
• The Unifying Force
• Dark Nest II: The Unseen Queen
• Legacy of the Force: Exile
• Legacy of the Force: Sacrifice
• Legacy of the Force: Invincible
• Fate of the Jedi: Abyss
• Star Wars: Legacy 1: Broken, Part 1
• Star Wars: Legacy 35: Storms, Part 2
  • A single Gotal thug swinging a bat, but I thought it was enough to say this on starwars.wikia.com (backup link not verified!) Menkooroo 03:03, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
    • Shouldn't this be accompanied by an Unidentified Gotal thug article? --Eyrezer 07:10, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
      • That's a good question, actually. We don't seem to be very consistent on our notability-of-background-characters-in-comics policy. Specifically with regard to Legacy, all of the unidentified Sith from Broken have articles, but recent story arcs like Monster and Extremes produced scores of unidentified Sith that nobody's created articles for. Is there anything concrete in our notability policy on background characters? Menkooroo 07:00, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
        • As far as I know there isn't. This project in particular has made me realize there probably should be, not just for background comic characters but for background movie, TV, and novel characters as well. For instance, if Han scans a cantina and sees "a Gotal, a Herglic, and a Ranat," do those three need articles? My personal rule of thumb is that if the minor character plays some role in the story's plot beyond background filler, they deserve an article. But this is probably worth a SH thread at least. ~ SavageBob 14:52, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
• Star Wars: 30th Anniversary Collection Volume 12: Legacy
• "Triplet Threat" (original article link) on Wizards.com (content now obsolete; backup link)
• "Death, Dirt, and the Nerf Rancher's Daughter" (original article link) on Wizards.com (content now obsolete; backup link)

Non-canon appearances

• "Hate Leads to Lollipops" — Star Wars Tales 9
• "Prey" — Star Wars Tales 3
• Star Wars Infinities: A New Hope
• "The Emperor's Court" — Star Wars Tales 14

Sources

• The Art of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
• Galaxy Guide 4: Alien Races, First Edition (First identified as Save the Gotals)
• Planets of the Galaxy, Volume One
• Star Wars Miniatures Battles
• Dark Force Rising Sourcebook
• Galaxy Guide 9: Fragments from the Rim
• Monsters and Aliens from George Lucas (Picture only)
• Galaxy Guide 4: Alien Races, Second Edition
• A Guide to the Star Wars Universe (Second Edition)
  • No new info, basically summarizes GG4. —Silly Dan _(talk) 04:15, December 16, 2010 (UTC)
• Cracken's Rebel Operatives
• The Last Command Sourcebook
  • I don't have this, but I do have The Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook. I just added a whole bunch of info from that, assuming it was from TLC sourcebook, but I checked the Dark Force Rising sourcebook and realized it was all from there. If you think any of the info I added is overkill, Bob, feel free to take it out. Menkooroo 08:45, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
• "Stand and Deliver" — Star Wars Adventure Journal 5
• Alliance Intelligence Reports
• The Truce at Bakura Sourcebook
• Tales of the Jedi Companion
• "Shape-shifters" — Star Wars Adventure Journal 12
• Star Wars: Chronicles
• Hideouts & Strongholds
• Star Wars Encyclopedia
  • No new info, basically summarizes GG4. —Silly Dan _(talk) 04:15, December 16, 2010 (UTC)
• The Essential Guide to Planets and Moons
• Star Wars: The Visual Dictionary (Picture only)
• A Guide to the Star Wars Universe (Third Edition)
• The Essential Guide to Alien Species
• Alien Anthology
• Ultimate Alien Anthology
• Hero's Guide
• Star Wars: The Original Trilogy Collection
• Star Wars Miniatures: Revenge of the Sith
• The New Essential Chronology
• Star Wars: Legacy 0
• Star Wars: The Complete Visual Dictionary (Picture only)
• The New Essential Guide to Alien Species
• Star Wars Miniatures: The Force Unleashed
• Star Wars Miniatures: Legacy of the Force
• The Force Unleashed Campaign Guide
• Cantina Roll-Call: Shedding Light on Some Alien Aliases on StarWars.com (content now obsolete; backup link)
• "Antarian Rangers" (original article link) on Wizards.com (content now obsolete; backup link)
• The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
• The Essential Atlas
• Galaxy of Intrigue
• Givin in the Databank (content now obsolete; backup link)
  • No new info. Menkooroo 02:53, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
• Gotal in the Databank (content now obsolete; backup link)
• Sarrisa Jeng in the Databank (content now obsolete; backup link)
  • No new info. But I'm going to expand the bit about the Hostage standoff. Menkooroo 02:53, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
• M'iiyoom Onith in the Databank (content now obsolete; backup link)
  • No new info, but I want to add a couple more sentences about Trevagg and Nightlily. Menkooroo 02:53, November 22, 2010 (UTC)