Forums > Senate Hall archive > Smoke skin deployed

You're welcome to try it. To do this, set the skin to "Smoke" in your preferences. - Sikon 15:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Smoke is not ready for prime-time:

After all the crap we went through to get thumbs and infoboxes lined up, they go and steal more of our content space. I've pointed this out in #wikia and been ignored. Yeah, Wikia really cares about us. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 15:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

  • It looks like crap because you're using IE. Get off that piece of osik! -- Riffsyphon1024 07:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
    • I used MSIE for the test because I believe in designing for the average reader. There's a good chance Joe Random who comes here because Google or a friend tells him to will have MSIE. I took them at 800x600 resolution because that's the XP default. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 11:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Hi... actually, we do care. That's why we did the special design for you guys but that isn't deployed yet. You're not being ignored at all... and, yes, there are parts that still need work. There's been tons of feedback and we're trying to get it prioritized. For the last few weeks I've been working with our designer to reduce the header, get some of the other stuff cleaned up, etc. Tell me about the issue with the formatting if you lose those pixels... is it only at 800x600? Or is it at 1024 resolutions? Johnq 04:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Actually, the article you referenced above about Joe Random is interesting on its own but maybe more interesting in terms of who comes to Wikia vs. the average. The share of people using Firefox is much higher (~50% IE vs. ~40%FF) and only 6% 800x600. That's site-wide on Wikia. For a site like Wookieepedia, which attracts a higher technical audience, the numbers are probably even further skewed toward higher browser resolution and FF. I would expect Wookieepedia's browser stats to mirror something like where 800x600 is only 1.4% of people coming to the site. Johnq 05:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Also, can you do me a favor? Can you please label the above images as 800x600 so that people who come here and only see the images know what they're seeing (hopefully before they start posting). And please post the same but at 1024 so that if things are working at that resolution they'll also see that. The reason I ask is that I'm spending a lot of time trying to get the fixes to the design out and it will save time if people already have a good comparison in their heads before heading into a discussion about it. :) Johnq 05:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
      • I did not realize that the number of people below 1024 was so low. That's good to know. I apologize for the sarcasm above, but we went to a lot of effort to make the site usable at 800x600 with Monobook. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 02:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
      • No apology needed (but the thought is appreciated). Because our voices aren't heard actively building content here we know it's harder for everyone to see the ways in which we do care... but we do (a lot). It's more than just keeping the servers running and the data safe and the site fast(ish). Those are purely utilitarian concerns. We do a lot of thinking about how to get people who are passionate about something to where they can build something like you guys have. People show up all the time and have no idea how... but they have an idea, and drive, and they're passionate about building something. We try to get them started on the right foot. We try to get them better ways of helping themselves do something they love and can take pride in. We help find people to join in and get the community started. We try to connect people just getting off the ground with those who have walked that path before. It's easy to make those connections once on a personal level...but there aren't *that* many of us... so we look for ways to do it more systematically. We're thinking of ways that related wikis can more easily see each other to help people find things they're interested in. We think a lot about how to make everyone here more successful. And not just the newbies... we've spent a fair amount of time building stuff to keep out vandals, fix all the one-off problems that creep up every day, build tools for our community team so they can spend less time managing data and more time out answering questions and helping out. A lot of people will put a cynical spin on this and just say we do it because it's good for the business and just see this as some sort of parasitical relationship. I think if they could actually see all the ways in which we do contribute and do care then that sort of "necessary evil" kind of thinking would tend to settle down. It's just that what we do doesn't show up as edits... we try to make it so everyone else can be better at what they want to do... build something. That's why we're working on a logo and trying to get the Wikia name out there a bit more... it's not to steal your thunder or to say you're "ours" or take credit or whatever... it's so that when people come here and say, "Wow... this is amazing! How can I do something like this??" then we can help them get started. Anyway... that ended up being a lot longer than I intended... not a rant but this topic just reminded me that there's a lot of other things we do that no one ever sees... so just a small attempt to raise the awareness of the good parts more. :) Johnq 07:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Also, I was responding to your comment about wanting a phpbb-style forum for wookie... is that still true? They just released phpBB3.0 RC1, which is what we've been waiting for before doing any more with this. Johnq 04:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
    • We have the Senate Hall forum, it's fine by me. Having a non-MediaWiki-powered forum would unnecessarily complicate things by requiring users to register twice. - Sikon 05:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Hi Sikon! Actually, no extra registration needed... we integrated it into the wiki so usernames, logins&session are kept from the wiki to the board and back. And we modified phpBB so that you can use wikitext. Darth Culator was checking it out earlier and left a message about so I was just following up on that. You can see it here: Johnq 05:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • The reception to the idea has been cool at best. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 02:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Ok. :) Johnq 07:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, it is fine. Most of all it does not take away so much space from the article like 'Slate'. But after these few days now I experience 2 things: in-article editing with that new kind of interface disappeared AND 'most popular' menu has 'slipped' behind the article panel. Well, it is 'discouraging' at best. I also noticed that today some new skins appeared, then disappeared from the list. I guess it means hard work in the background. Keep it up, guys! Domlith 21:27, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Hi... we're working on version2 of the new skin to reduce the size of the header before making it more available. We understood the concerns and are working to address them. As for the in-page editing and the skins... a day or two ago we put MediaWiki 1.10a on Wookieepedia but then put it back on 1.9.3 briefly... now it's back on 1.10a. Are you still not seeing the things you're expecting? Thanks. Johnq 21:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
    • It is better now, thanks. Domlith 22:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

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