Forum:Trooper armor and Ewoks

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I'm sure this was debated fairly recently, but if Stormtroopers armor was so well designed Stormtroopers why could a simple Ewok club a trooper to death? I didn't see any explanation, so I'm asking. Is it just a simple filming mistake. If so, would that be grounds to consider that not all film material to be "canon"?--Riridadaecho7^007Solo 05:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, the armor is plastiod. Why would it ping like metal when an Ewok drums on it? Just nit-picking.--Riridadaecho7^007Solo 08:39, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

There's also a scene where a stormtrooper armor is pierced by an arrow. ??? i've read a book where a spear is thrown at full force at the armor, and it doesn't even make a dent. But that was during the new republic era, and armor designs could have changed during that time. And I've already raised this subject before. It was inconclusive. Soresumakashi 10:47, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

• Actually, it sticks to the black body glove in between the armor plates. Also, a person can sustain a concussion if enough force is used. That's why helmets don't protect a head completely, only cushions a blow. VT-16 20:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Remember when the Ewoks tried to sacrifice a Jedi Knight, a Space Pirate and his mighty Wookiee to a protocol droid? You don't want to mess with Ewoks man they are one of the most powerfull species in the galaxy. Madclaw^Shyriiwook! 10:57, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Please see Stormtrooper effect. --Zadi ^{(Speak and I shall listen)} 18:17, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't think there was an answer, so, not all movie material should be canon. Obviously there are going to be mistakes. Not all the details of the universe were envisioned. If they were, someone was likely to change them for any number of reasons. Thanks for your input. New question. Is there any ruling about inconsistencies in the movies and canon material?206.53.238.241 04:13, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

• Actually, yes, though it may not be what you're thinking. Movie canon (also known as G-canon) is described as "the highest level of canon." Nothing can contradict this tier of canon. So, regardless of what later publications may state about the battle, nothing can override the movies, and thus is typically tossed away as non-canon elements, by way of retconning or official statement. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 04:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
• All I have to say is Simon. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
  • But what if there was a filming mistake in the movies? does that count as part of "the highest level of canon?" Soresumakashi 06:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Sure. See Force kick. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

So, unless specific details are explained by Lucas, we should just make up our own self-pleasing excuses? It's not a big deal, but in a world were there is an explanation for everything, I feel I'm turning my head and ignoring the flaw. I mean, there's info on the most minute details. 206.53.238.241 09:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

• Don't forget that Star Wars, and science fiction in general, operates on a principle called "Suspension of Disbelief". ^Jorrel_Fraajic 20:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I was asking about stuff in star wars mistakes that does not have an official explanation. Soresumakashi 09:51, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

The only answer I'm looking for is that there is a common thought that mistakes are to be overlooked. Ignored, unless explained formally. Something to the tune of "it didn't really happen that way". The mistakes were obviously not meant to happen...unless the Force is real and caused them to happen! George Lucas is a Prophet! Nevermind.206.53.238.241 05:09, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

• I explained some above. VT-16 06:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Is it, 1. There is a common rule on film mistakes.

2. There is NOT a rule.

3. There is a common unsaid understanding of film mistakes.Riridadaecho7^007Solo 06:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

• Also note that oftentimes later sources may actually make reference to the "film mistake", further installing its place in canon. They may even refer to it jokingly, or in passing, but it's still mentioned. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 15:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC) I think they just made it that way for the plot to make it look like a stunning victory for the rebels all happy like the lil ewoks killing the evil stormtroopers.