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One thing I have been wondering about recently is wether or not the Jedi that Djinn Altis trained can be considered legitimate Jedi.
What I mean is, Altis was a maverick, and he essentially violated the Jedi code by having multiple adult padawans, allowing them get romantically involved, and teaching them techniques the Jedi Order wouldn't have approved of, and the Jedi Council probably never sanctioned/authorized/approved of those padawans being trained in the first place, so they were likely never formally initiated into the Jedi Order...
So can the Jedi trained by Altis be thought of as actual Jedi? Did the Jedi Council acknowledge Altis' students as real Jedi, or did the council view them as nothing more than unsanctioned, illegitimate pseudo-Jedi? That's just something i've been wondering. 22.214.171.124 03:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
That's hard to answer. These students trained like real jedi, thought like real jedi, and, most of the time acted like real Jedi. The only difference is they could have relationships, learned how to live on through the force, and could be taken on as a Jedi at a later age. The Jedi of old didn't do these things, but the New Jedi Order does. To the council, no, they probably weren't real Jedi, but in a larger view, they really were.JR 21:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)StarNinja99
In many ways, I think that these sorts of Jedi, when they are able to resist the lure of the Dark Side, are beyond the "normal" Jedi, because it shows that they can form attachments and still remain true to the Jedi ways of life. You can't simply say they aren't real Jedi, because if you did, you would also have to discount MANY of the most important figures in Jedi history. Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi, along with Luke Skywalker himself were all guilty of this, does it make them less Jedi? Qui-Gon in particular is an interesting case because although his relationship with Tahl was not known to the Council, he was very much considered a rule breaker in the sense that he frequently disobeyed the council and violated the Jedi Code. Even so, I can't recall any of them ever saying they considered him "less" Jedi.
The Jedi Wanderers were known for not giving a damn about the usual Jedi regulations if this was the Will of the Force, but I don't know if the Jedi master in question belonged to that category. Heck, even the Council probably wouldn't have stood in the way if the Will of the Force demanded these students be excempt from the rules. DarthMRN 10:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Jedi Wanderers? I don't think I've heard of them before. I don't really know much about Djinn Altis, so I'm not sure if he thought it was the will of the Force, or if he simply didn't like the rules and decided to start his own Praxeum just to piss off the council and so he could train his students they way he wanted. If Altis was considered a maverick, and if his Praxeum was an unauthorized one, and if the council never officially accepted/initiated any of Altis' students as Jedi, then the Jedi trained by Altis probably weren't officially part of the Jedi Order. Which is why I asked if they were legitimate Jedi. I guess what it comes down to is wether or not someone could still be a Jedi even if the council never officially accepted them. (By the way, I'm the one who originally asked the question, though my IP address is different now) 126.96.36.199 05:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
By Jedi Wanderers, he probably meant those who travelled wherever the Force took them rather than take missions from the Council (eg. those from Republic 53. FirebirdPhoenix Rising 14:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
They are a Class from the RPG. Pretty obscure one too. But yeah, Jon Antilles and the others were more than likely Wanderers. As for whether Djinn's stundents were legitimate Jedi without the Council accepting them, I don't know. But there is no reason the Council would not accept them, even if their training and teachings were unorthodox. Those bastards were willing to bend any rule for the Will of the Force. Take Ki-Adi's permission to have children, or Mace's willingness to kill Palp in cold blood, for example. Both are against the Jedi Code, but is permitted. And since a place on the council usually depends on your ability and willingness to interpret and act upon the Will of the Force, it is fairly likely that the Council would allow a breach of the rules for these Padawans if the Force wanted them to. But if their Jedi status actually was the Will of the Force, that I don't know. DarthMRN 15:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Wasn't he the guy who trained Callista? I thought she said she was Jedi of the Republic. It would seem to me that if she actually called herself a Jedi, it would be official. However, she didn't seem to know who Yoda was. Considereing the high position he held, I'd think that every Jedi would at least know who he is.--Hobbie 04:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)