Talk: Mitth'raw'nuruodo

Name

Is his full name canon? Is there a canon source which refers to him as Mitth'raw'nuruodo and not just Thrawn? If so which source that would be is not identified as such. On his legends page Mist encounter is listed as the first time he was identified with that name in that canon, no such distinction is made in this article. Either a "first identified as" tag should be added to the work which first identified him as Mitth- or this article is misnamed due to that name not being canon. --204.186.26.217 03:04, March 17, 2017 (UTC)

• An excerpt from the upcoming Thrawn novel uses the name. jSarek (talk) 03:31, March 17, 2017 (UTC)

There is no information about a source of his really name. I hate Thrawn and I don't know anything about him so I will not edit it. — Mustafar29 _{(Dyskusja / User talk)} 20:57, March 22, 2017 (UTC)

• The excerpt mentions the full name--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 21:50, March 22, 2017 (UTC)

Planets

Don't know why it got deleted but I'll post it again .... Thrawn narrowed down his search from a thousand systems to ninety four planets .... not ninety four systems. That is a galactic difference. Please correct it.

Thrawn Novel

Are we going to update the page for Thrawn Novel Content, i tried, but didnt allow me

(Sgt wataz (talk) 18:19, April 20, 2017 (UTC))

Thrawn in Empire's End

Can someone please give me the exact reference to Thrawn in Aftermath: Empire's End, please? In theory I could buy the book, wait for it for two weeks (which is about as long as it takes from Amazon to deliver stuff) and then discover they just name-drop him in half a sentence. So, can someone be kind and tell exactly what is there? Thank you.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 04:58, May 23, 2017 (UTC)

"For decades, these computers have been plotting a journey. Outside the known galaxy is an unexplored infinity, Palpatine explained, one closed off by a labyrinth of solar storms, rogue magnetospheres, black holes, gravity wells, and things far stranger. Any who tried to conquer that maze did not survive. The ships were obliterated, or returned to the galaxy devoid of travelers. Communications from those explorers were incomprehensible, either shot through with such static as to make the content useless, or filled with enough inane babble to serve as a perfectly clear sign that the explorer had gone utterly mad out there in isolation. But Palpatine had one in the navy who knew something of the Unknown Regions: Admiral Thrawn, an alien with ice-blue skin who came from beyond the borders of the known galaxy. Palpatine only kept that one around because of what he knew of traversing those deadly interstices. Much of what Thrawn knew went into the computations of this machine." - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 05:24, May 23, 2017 (UTC)

That's it? Thanks. Any data on who actually thinks that was the only reason why Thrawn was taken in? It sounds rather opinionated, considering his commanding skills.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 16:21, May 23, 2017 (UTC)

Gallius Rax, who would be in the know of Palpatine's thinking. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 17:24, May 23, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks again. I've been thinking that the Legacy part in this article doesn't flow smoothly with everything else, but I see now that there isn't much info to start with.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:49, May 23, 2017 (UTC)

It's a coincidence,really,because I went to the library,and randomly picked out two star wars books.Thrawn and Empire's End.I'm almost finished with Empire's End.Didn't realize they were related,but I have a question:Which one came first in the timeline?I live my life as if I live in the star wars universe,I don't care about timeline,I care about characters and stuff. —Unsigned comment by Kylow (talk • contribs).

• Thrawn takes place several years before Episode IV. Empire's End takes place one year after Episode VI. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 22:32, October 10, 2017 (UTC)

Exile

This there good evidence that he actually faked his exile? The citation in the article is just from the book Thrawn. However, the only time he states that the exile was faked was in a conversation with someone he regarded as an adversary. In particular, he has lied many times in similar conversations as a bluff or as a trick. It seems like fairly thin evidence to come to a strong conclusion as to whether or not the exile was faked. I'm not saying the exile definitely wasn't fake, but I just don't see it as particularly compelling evidence.

131.215.167.113 07:08, June 5, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your question. I also read the novel and I believe it's more than enough evidence that the exile was faked. It all comes down to the fact that Thrawn simply has no reason to lie in that situation. Thrawn isn't characterized as a character who lies simply to lie and there's no reason to think he wouldn't be telling the truth to Nightswan in this case. In this scene he's literally trying to recruit Nightswan to the Ascendancy and it's honestly pretty clear to me at least that he doesn't consider Nightswan as much of an adversary in that scene as you seem to think. Furthermore, he sends Eli to the Ascendancy at the end of the book. Perhaps try a reread of the Nightswan parley scene with a slightly friendlier tone? I honestly believe that it's canon that he faked the exile and everyone seems to be taking it as canon so I believe it to be canon until it's officially stated as a bluff. While there may not be enough evidence for you to consider it canon that he's telling the truth, there's even less evidence that he's bluffing or lying. It goes against his characterization and the tone of the scene. --UmbraWitchAlraune (talk) 10:27, June 5, 2017 (UTC)

Additionally, if any more explanation is required, as a writer I feel that it doesn't make narrative sense for Thrawn to have lied about lying about his exile. The way it was treated in the book, it was a late-novel gamechanging plot twist reveal. Surprise, Thrawn has been lying about being exiled the whole time and he's really still an agent for the Chiss working within the Empire. That's a pretty big game changer. So you have to ask yourself: What does the writer, Zahn, gain by dropping such a massive twist, without hints or confirmation in the novel proper that the twist is fake, only to reveal sometime long after the fact that the twist is fake. It simply doesn't make narrative sense for Zahn to do that. Without including any hints that Thrawn is lying in the novel proper, any reveal that the big reveal was a ruse is going to feel kinda retcon-y. But if all of this still isn't enough for you to believe that, at least at this point in time, we have enough evidence to assume Thrawn is telling the truth please feel free to take it up with someone like Zahn or Pablo Hildago on twitter and report back your results. --UmbraWitchAlraune (talk) 19:50, June 5, 2017 (UTC)

Minimal Casualties

In his personality section I noticed there is nothing about his trying to inflict the least possible casualties in a situation. Throughout the Thrawn novel he tries to kill only who is necessary. at one point in the novel he even calls for rescue teams to be sent out to the planet Batonn. I wanted to discuss it here before I put it into the main article. --CE3K-1977 (talk) 13:01, August 4, 2017 (UTC)

• Well the page is currently inuse by User:UmbraWitchAlraune so any changes you have I'd suggest you leave them on the users talk page --Lewisr (talk) 13:04, August 4, 2017 (UTC)

Source?

Could some provide the source that says Thrawn intercepted the code phrase "By the light of Lothal's moons" sent by Fulcrum, I didn't remember it from the episode--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 02:54, August 11, 2017 (UTC)

• Whilst I'm not entirely sure of a source that says he intercepted it, Thrawn must've come across the phrase at some point seens as he mentions it to Kallus in Zero Hour --Lewisr (talk) 02:58, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
  • True, but I doesn't mean that he intercepted it, it could be any other officer--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 03:02, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
    • I guess that part should be changed then --Lewisr (talk) 03:04, August 11, 2017 (UTC)

Main image vote

Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm not quite satisfied with the current main image. I think it just seems... off. A bit Frankenstein-ish, in fact. So I thought, why not initiate a vote for a change? As far as I'm concerned, despite the apparent lack of pupils, I tend to favor Option 4 because of its photorealistic quality. Otherwise, I'd take Option 2. What do you guys think? --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 13:31, November 24, 2017 (UTC)

• I really dislike option 4, because the alien features (forehead ridges and very emphasised cheekbones) or pupils present on the Chiss in canon aren't very visible. It looks more like the Legends version of the character more. I'm open to the animated image, since it's mostly a Rebels character.--ZapikCZ (talk) 15:16, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
  • I really like the current image! Pedronog (talk) 17:16, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
  • I prefer realistic photos over animated ones, but I agree with Zapik on option 4. Option 1 and 2 seem the best. Jaewade (talk) 17:52, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
  • Yeah not a fan of 4, but I agree that the look of 1 is off. Maybe too much exposure. - Tommuskq ^{(TAKE A SEAT)} 18:39, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
  • I like Option 2 more because it shows his uniform off more while still having the same face in Option 1--Vitus Infinitus (talk) 00:40, November 25, 2017 (UTC)
  • I prefer the current one looks better than a book cover crop. But I'm ok with any except the option 3 and 4--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 00:46, November 25, 2017 (UTC)
    • The Alliances picture has his face more in the shape it is in the show though.--ZapikCZ (talk) 01:03, November 25, 2017 (UTC)
  • I prefer Option 2, it seems closer to his appearance in the show, and hopefully a higher quality version of it showing his full profile, becomes available closer to the book's release. -- Cyrannian (talk) 19:17, November 25, 2017 (UTC)
• We seem to be deadlocked between 1 and 2 lol.--Vitus Infinitus (talk) 23:47, December 3, 2017 (UTC)

Option 1 (current image)

Option 2

Option 3 (may need a recrop/resize)

Option 4

Option 5

Option 6

Option 1 (current)

1. --Sligneris (talk) 15:37, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
2. Jaewade (talk) 17:52, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
3. --Pedronog (talk) 19:03, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
4. Brandon Rhea^(talk) 19:15, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
5. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 19:16, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
6. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 03:44, November 25, 2017 (UTC)
7. --JRT2010 (talk) 05:27, November 26, 2017 (UTC)

Option 2

1. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 13:31, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
2. Jaewade (talk) 17:52, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
3. - Tommuskq ^{(TAKE A SEAT)} 18:39, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
4. --Vitus Infinitus (talk) 20:21, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
5. --ZapikCZ (talk) 00:36, November 25, 2017 (UTC)
6. -The Grand Chewbacca (Talk) 04:01, November 25, 2017 (UTC)
7. -- Cyrannian (talk) 19:17, November 25, 2017 (UTC)

Option 4

1. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 13:31, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
2. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 03:44, November 25, 2017 (UTC)

Option 5

1. --ZapikCZ (talk) 15:16, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
2. --Sligneris (talk) 15:37, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
3. --JRT2010 (talk) 17:54, November 24, 2017 (UTC)

Option 6

1. --Yo.-User:Fan26 (Talk) 16:52, November 24, 2017 (UTC)
2. --JRT2010 (talk) 17:57, November 24, 2017 (UTC)

A potential new infobox image

A new hope

Hello everyone! Here's a new potential infobox image, cropped from the box of FFG's upcoming expansion Tyrants of Lothal. What do you guys think? I believe it to be superior to our current infobox image, which is too much of a close shot. Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 07:13, June 26, 2018 (UTC)

• I feel it wouldn't be the best option for an infobox picture, I think that options from the poll above are more appropiate for it than the Tyrants of Lothal pic. That image could definitely go on the Skills or Personalities sections in my opinion--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 07:25, June 26, 2018 (UTC)
  • At any rate, I really feel that our current choice of main image is less than optimal. It's too close a short, is partially in the shadows, and the head looks bloated (perhaps because of the angle). Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 07:35, June 26, 2018 (UTC)
    • I wouldn't object to having it as the infobox image. Since the previous vote ended in a tie, we could do another vote between the two that are tied and this one. Or just the two tied ones.--Vitus Infinitus^Talk 13:28, June 26, 2018 (UTC)
      • If I recall, there's been no definitive decision on the canonicity of FFG (even though we still often use it in canon articles) so I would definitely object to using one of its images as the infobox image. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 16:31, June 26, 2018 (UTC)
        • Although FFG may not be canonical per se, please note that it's clearly the appeareance of canon Thrawn (cue the irises, the attentes instead of full epaulets, and the brow ridges). Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 21:40, June 26, 2018 (UTC)
          • If it may not be canon per se then we shouldn't use it as a canonical image, even if it is based on his canon appearance. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 21:48, June 26, 2018 (UTC)
            • There is some canon FFG material, such as Dawn of Rebellion which FFG stated on the announcement that the book is based on Rebels and Rogue One, and Star Wars: The Force Awakens Beginner Game which is based on Episode VII, and sections of Nexus of Power, such as the section entirely on Lothal and its history (which adds in information from Rebels). The infobox image for the Chimaera is from Star Wars: Armada as it depicts its canon appearance rather than Legends. The same could be applied to this image of Thrawn, as this is his canon appearance and likeness, and because Tyrants of Lothal centers around Lothal.--Vitus Infinitus^Talk 21:53, June 26, 2018 (UTC)
              • As a site I think we really need to come to a consensus on the canonicity of FFG, because this discussion has happened on multiple talk pages recently. Tommy Macaroni 07:28, June 27, 2018 (UTC)
                • I know we have been using canon based FFG material as canon, but it still doesn't confirm that its 100% canon. As going back to the center of discussion, this image doesn't feel like an infobox image and I feel its better to represent Thrawn with either the novel or Rebels images only for infobox--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 07:36, June 27, 2018 (UTC)
• We should consider doing another vote but only on the two images that are at a tie from above.--Vitus Infinitus^Talk 13:34, June 27, 2018 (UTC)

I'd like to bring up the fact that this desperately needs a new infobox image, again. Ømn1 (talk) 13:13, October 30, 2018 (UTC)

• Heavens know I tried. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 13:21, October 30, 2018 (UTC)

Thrawn: Treason

Who's all ready for this book? Me personally, I love that we are getting a Thrawn book again. Supreme Commander Raxus (talk) 13:51, December 6, 2018 (UTC)User:SupremeCommanderRaxus

• Should be great, can't wait! Please read the notice at the top of the page though, 'This space is used for discussion relating to changes to the article, not for a discussion about the topic in question. For general questions about the article's topic, please visit the Knowledge Bank' or another place would be in discussions --Lewisr (talk) 14:05, December 6, 2018 (UTC)
  • Understandable, I'm just curious. Thrawn is awesome. I want to know what this could also mean as well. Maybe Erza sensed that Thrawn was only defending his people maybe the Empire is attacking his people? Who knows (This is speculation) Supreme Commander Raxus (talk) 14:51, December 6, 2018 (UTC)User:SupremeCommanderRaxus
    • Unlikely that's the case, Thrawn never told the Empire where the Chiss were, so not sure they'd know where to go. We will have to wait until next year to find out more! --Lewisr (talk) 14:56, December 6, 2018 (UTC)

Thrawn Alliance's

How come there are only two things in this info article from Thrawn Alliance's? Should'nt there be more? Or was the book that short? I haven't read the book entirely. There are small references, but there should be a re-edit on topic: "Working with Vader" and topic "Meeting Anakin Skywalker". Supreme Commander Raxus (talk) 16:05, December 6, 2018 (UTC)User:SupremeCommanderRaxus

• No one has gotten round to adding the information yet, that's all! Feel free to add any information or make changes if you want --Lewisr (talk) 17:04, December 6, 2018 (UTC)
  • I would, but I haven't read the book yet, I don't got it, Lol. Supreme Commander Raxus (talk) 17:14, December 6, 2018 (UTC)User:SupremeCommanderRaxus
    • Oh haha fair enough I see, well I'm sure it will be updated eventually --Lewisr (talk) 17:19, December 6, 2018 (UTC)

Thrawn's Affiliation toward the Imperial Academy

So, In the character info box, I noticted that one of Thrawn's affiliations was the Imperial Academy, Could we possible delete this and just put in the Royal Imperial Academy? Just the way it is put, its basically kind of saying that he was loyal to all of the Imperial Academy... It just doesn't seem right. Let me know what you all think, Supreme Commander Raxus (talk) 15:55, December 10, 2018 (UTC)User:SupremeCommanderRaxus

• It means he's affiliated with the Imperial Academy which he is really, but putting the Royal Imperial Academy is more specific and better --Lewisr (talk) 16:15, December 10, 2018 (UTC)
• I'll put it in. Cheers. Supreme Commander Raxus (talk) 16:19, December 10, 2018 (UTC)User:SupremeCommanderRaxus

Csilla vs Rentor

Chaos Rising clearly states that Thrawn was born on Rentor - he tells Vorlip the flight from Rentor to Naporar is his "first voyage away from home." This article is currently awkwardly trying to keep the questionable mention of his homeworld as Csilla in Dawn of Rebellion (not even a real canon source, but this is not the place to talk about Wookieepedia's policies regarding FFG) while still mentioning he was at the academy on Rentor. I propose we throw out the secondary FFG source and replace it with Chaos Rising itself as the source for his homeworld, Rentor. Dscarpa (talk) 18:11, September 2, 2020 (UTC)

• I agree, it does seem as if Thrawn is from Rentor. VergenceScatter (talk) 18:12, September 2, 2020 (UTC)

reporting that he believed there was *more to Higher Skies than met the eye*

Is that a Transformers Reference I see or just a really cool coincidence?,—Unsigned comment by 143.137.95.41 (talk • contribs).

• Please keep conversation on topic. VergenceScatter (talk) 22:42, September 15, 2020 (UTC)

Kivu'raw'nuru/Mitth'raw'nuruodo

I was just wondering if he was born Kivu'raw'nuru then has it ever been explained why and when did people start calling him Mitth'raw'nuruodo? Sorry if I'm breaking any some rule or anything sorry (143.137.95.41 21:23, September 15, 2020 (UTC))

• Yes, it's detailed in the book Thrawn Ascendancy: Chaos Rising. VergenceScatter (talk) 22:42, September 15, 2020 (UTC)

Are there really major spoilers for The Mandalorian Chapter 13?

I watched the episode and Thrawn is only mentioned. Since it is unknown what his role will be in the series and there is no current section about the Mandalorian, how are there any major spoilers in this article? As someone who knows Thrawn for the trilogy and Rebels, I personally believe that Thrawn will play an important part in the series so having the label may err on the side of caution, but I think it is too cautious as there is no info that spoils any episode of the Mandalorian (yet) and certainly not Chapter 13. It seems that the spoiler tag was placed only because he was mentioned, so should the other characters mentioned like Jango Fett also be considered major spoilers? idk it doesn't make sense to me and the article was really long to read through so excuse my salt

• Anything, no matter how small, is considered a spoiler when mentioned or appearing in any new content. Note that Jango does indeed also have the tag.TheTrooperGuy (talk) 09:23, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

name change

name change so since he goes by Thrawn to most everyone, and even says, You can call me thrawn, shouldnt we change his name to thrawn? because the maul page is changed from darth maul to maul because he said: "formerly darth, now just maul." so i feel like we should change it to Thrawn. —Unsigned comment by Benellim4super90 (talk • contribs).

• In fact Chiss use "core names" in all but official situations or when first introducing themselves. Maul stopped being a sith, so that way he dropped the Darth title. Thrawn didn't stop being a Chiss and having his full name, even when most people don't use it to refer to him and/or that most Imperials don't even know that there is a longer version of his name.--Dionne Jinn (talk) 18:33, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Updates remaining

For Thrawn Ascendancy: Chaos Rising, all that needs to be updated is personality and traits (P&T). Thrawn Ascendancy: Greater Good needs his bio and P&T. (Obviously, Thrawn Ascendancy: Lesser Evil will require everything once it ships.) I don't know what updates are needed for Squadrons or the TIE Fighter Owner's Manual. -- YakovChaimTzvi (talk) 16:28, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

• I just expanded the intro a bit more. I can add some images and update the article on what Star Wars: Squadrons provides, but I don't know what the TIE Fighter Owner's Manual includes, though it's likely information related to the TIE Defender. --Vitus Infinitus^Talk 17:46, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks a bunch. That helps a lot! -- YakovChaimTzvi (talk) 17:56, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
    • For Thrawn Ascendancy: Lesser Evil, the P+T (Relationships) section requires two subsections for his relationship with Nakirre and "Jixtus" (And possibly Crofyp). The bio requires some chapters (i. e. boarding the Hammer) before Senior Captain Thrawn's last stand (already covered but needs cleanup and condensing) and everything after that battle.— Samonic 11:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Contradiction

There's conflicting information regarding Mitth'raw'nuruodo's exile: Thrawn establishes that Thrawn was exiled after launching a pre-emptive strike against "evil nomadic pirates"—Zahn probably was hinting at canon Vagaari, but no connection has been established—while Thrawn Ascendancy: Lesser Evil establishes that the Ascendancy's Defense Hierarchy Council exiled him for his actions during Senior Captain Thrawn's last stand, during which he destroyed the Grysk "Jixtus"'s fleet before it attacked the Chiss. Samonic ^(Talk) 13:08, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

• Should probably be noted in the bts, just assume Lesser Evil is correct as it is the more recently published source, and it is more detailed. -ThrawnChiss7 (talk) 13:24, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
• Should we treat this as a contradiction though? It's only one line and Thrawn could've been lying when he said that. Rsand 30 (talk) 21:51, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
• I tend to believe that Thrawn is just not revealing the true scope of the Chiss Ascendancy, its power, and its enemies. I don't view it as a "contradiction" at all. —Unsigned comment by Xycotic01 (talk • contribs).

Age

Is the year 59 BBY accurate to the events of Ascendancy trilogy? --Goodmind (talk) 17:28, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Masters

Hello there. This question applies to so many other characters than just Thrawn, but I wanted to ask, does the master/apprentices section also refer to people you serve / who serve you, or does it only refer to people who train you / are trained by you? Thanks in advance ~ Bespashin, 9:55 (UTC)