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Removed fanonEdit

Removed more anon crap. Seriously, if you're going to add something to an article, make sure you can a) spell, b) utilize punctuation correctly, and c) add something that's actually worthwhile and useful. I don't think any of the dedicated Wiki-users are particuarly enamoured with having to scour the countless entries in this database to look for redundant, uninformative tripe - Kwenn

UniformsEdit

I read somewhere that their uniforms were based upon those of Alderaanian marines...can anyone confirm? Kuralyov 00:18, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)

  • I believe Curtis Saxton conjectures that the Alliance uniforms shown in ANH and ESB are Alderaanian because Rebels shown were primarily aligned with the Alderaanian resistance...but that's all just his conjecture. --SparqMan 09:59, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
    • There's a write-up on the Official Site dealing with Hasbro's 2007 figure line-up, specifically the figure they're referring to as part of the 'Rebel Honour Guard'. In the write-up they mention that the green honour guard uniforms (seen in the crowd during the award ceremony at the end of ANH) are from Alderaan. Don't know how official that is, but I thought it worth a mention here.Tocneppil 23:07, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Regular Rebel Army Edit

Using the source of "Rules of Engagement: The Rebel SpecForce Handbook" by West End Games, It draws attention to SpecForce only bieng part of the Alliance Ground Forces. From what I can see, SpecForces are volunteers from "SecForce" also known as the Regulars. This makes the Rebel SpecForce into something that resembles real life SAS or Rangers or in Star Wars terms, the Imperial Storm Commandos. The more you read about it, the more you get this impression solidifed because of the narrow scope that Special Forces tend to work on. Taking and holding ground like the Alliance did after the Battle of Endor was done by regular forces, as well as remaining "A pest" to the Imperials. The Regulars worked with battlelines and convential warfare. SpecForces tended to operate behind enemy lines, even if they were not infiltrators, with a very specific objective in mind, complete it and return home.

  • Which would indeed explain why they are called the Special Forces or SpecForce. You can't fight ground battles only with elite troops, and they seem to serve a purpose as additions to other troops, rather than bear the total brunt of land warfare. VT-16 18:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Yeah, Rebel Trooper and Rebel Army really shouldn't redirect here. -LtNOWIS 09:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Here's the problem. Though the Rebel Alliance clearly has ground forces other than their Special Forces, the Rebel Alliance Sourcebook and Rules of Engagement both seem to indicate that the only ground units that belonged to Alliance High Command itself (and not the many sector forces) were Special Forces. So, though they were by no means the whole of the Rebel Army, I'm not sure if there technically *was* a Rebel Army rather than a bunch of sector armies. Those terms still shouldn't redirect here, but I'm not exactly sure where they *should* redirect. jSarek 07:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

PicturesEdit

Don't you think there should be a picture of the rebel commandos on endor somewhere in here?

lumberjaxEdit

,,Evetually, empires fall like trees-we are the lumberjax. Why it is ,,lumberjax" and not normal lumberjacks? it´s some kind of alternate spelling? GFFA version of l33t?D:D:D Or somebody does not know how to write properly in Basic? And after all, where did that came from? Thanks Hominid 14:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I dunno, that's just how it was in the picture in the sourecebook. Since it was basically graffiti, I'd say they just didn't care about spelling. -LtNOWIS 14:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Exactly. The creative misspelling is there to help give the graffiti a sense of grit and edginess. "GFFA version of '1337'" is probably not that far off, in a sense. As for its origins, it's from an illustration of SpecForce troops in their barracks from pg. 12 of Rules of Engagement: The Rebel SpecForce Handbook. I was the one who added it; I felt it really captured not only the mission of SpecForce, but also their esprit de corps and informality. jSarek 00:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Marines and SpaceOpsEdit

  • Are the Marines and SpaceOps not the same specialization? Are their any distinctions? Would anyone object if I merged these sections. -- Volemlock 22:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Cut from main pageEdit

I cut these from the main page, as I'm not sure they're necessarily a part of SpecForce; they're certainly not covered in the basic organization covered by the Rebel Alliance Sourcebook or Rules of Engagement: The Rebel SpecForce Handbook.

  • I agree with this. Is there a source for "The Vanguard"? Perhaps they should have their own article? -- Volemlock 08:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
    • I haven't seen anything on these Vanguards anywhere. Maybe a Battlefront or Empire at War unit? If so, I'd think it was another name for the Pathfinders, rather than a distinct specialty. jSarek 09:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
      • We've got an entry for them right here at: Rebel Vanguard, and they are from Battlefront.Tocneppil 11:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
        • From that, it almost sounds like they're Heavy Weapons Specialists. jSarek 11:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Sea CommandosEdit

Amphibions

Sea Commandos riding on Amphibions during the Battle of Mon Calamari.

SpecForce Sea Commandos are trained and equipped for aquatic combat and survival underwater. Though the organization was mainly composed of Humans, aquatic species like the Mon Calamari were also employed. Sea commandos wore light blast armor, helmets fitted with comlinks and carried survival packs on their backs. Their standard weapon was a blaster rifle. They participated during the Battle of Mon Calamari against the reborn Emperor Palpatine's forces.

The VanguardEdit

Rebel scouts were known as the SpecForce Vanguards and wore large helmets with slopes in the back to deal with grazing blasterfire. They used light armor and heavy DL-44 heavy blaster pistols, frequently serving as the front line in the guerrilla assaults commonly initiated by the Rebels.

Major rewrite and re-organizationEdit

  • Just wanted to say that I think that you have done a good job with the rewrite jSarek. The layout was how I was thinking it should be. I am going to try and add some mores aspects from Rules of Engagement: The Rebel SpecForce Handbook -- Volemlock 08:40, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Thanks. :-) This article has been bugging me for a while, and now I've finally gotten around to correcting the most egregious of my problems with it. I'm glad someone has RoE besides me and can add some stuff, because I definitely need a break from SpecForce for a bit. ;-) jSarek 09:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

ImagesEdit

  • This article is lacking good images from the movies. Surely somebody has pictures of the troops aboard the Tantive IV and the Endor commandos? Jedi Comedian 01:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Privateers and MercsEdit

  • What source(s) claim they had SpecForce status? It makes no sense, since SpecForce personnel "were highly trained active military professionals, tasked with performing specific, carefully planned operations." Mercs and others not fully committed to training regimens fit far more closely the Alliance Special Operations profile, which is why I had moved this information there. Privateers make even less sense than mercenaries - SpecForce personnel are ground forces (or, in the case of SpaceOps, forces for fighting personal combat in space), and privateers are space combatants. jSarek 07:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I agree -- Volemlock 18:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Removed privateers. BTW are SpecOps and SpecForce the same? KEJ 20:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
        • No, they were two different organizations. [1] -LtNOWIS 20:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
          • Ah, thx. KEJ 20:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
            • And now this article sets it out clearly like the SpecOps article does. jSarek 00:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Taskforce vs. task forceEdit

  • I realize that "task force" is usually two words, but the original sources combine it into one word, "taskforce," which this article reflects. jSarek 01:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Everyone Spec Ops?Edit

I have noticed that most links to the rebel army are directed to this special forces article... I don't think it is possible for ALL infantry in a given military to be special forces. Is it really canon that the rebels don't have a primary army? I have read many books and played many games which have direct confrontations that had forces that couldn't of been composed ENTIRELY of special forces.

Perhaps it could be that they exist in canon but not much detail is given on them? I mean, it is well established that they have capital ships. 65.27.139.162 10:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

  • The Alliance to Restore the Republic didn't have a centralized army. They had the Special Forces (NOT Alliance Special Operations, which were a different group), which were attached to Alliance High Command, and they had the various Sector Forces, which were attached to various sector commands. When Alliance High Command needed regular army forces, they relied upon the various Sector Forces to provide them. jSarek 11:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
    • So the group that they were recruited from are the sector forces? "Very few regular soldiers were capable of becoming SpecForce troopers, and all volunteered for service." O.K. And by main army I meant troopers, because the article seems to act like the SpecForces are elite infantry, but they are the only infantry I ever hear about in articles, even in roles that soldiers would be in games, books and other material (including my quote above) seem to be matched with the SpecForce article. I don't think Special Forces would drive T4-Bs, but ok. I guess those sector forces rarely appear in sources. 65.27.139.162 11:17, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
      • Right; the Sector Forces were the primary source of recruitment for SpecForce. I think the problem is a lot of authors don't realize that the only troops that belong to the Alliance itself (rather than its Sector Groups) are SpecForce, so they wind up using those troops unintentionally in regular infantry roles as well as elite ones. As a result, the Sector Forces get short shrift, while SpecForce, which should be numerically fairly limited, are expanded into roles they probably shouldn't be able to fill. On the other hand, by the very nature of the Star Wars story, most of the operations we see are critical ones where individual and small-unit heroic action over mass troop movements are key, exactly the sorts of missions SpecForce WOULD get sent to do. jSarek 12:25, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


Major rewrite (Number 2)Edit

I have tried to rewrite the article. I agree with some other posters here that the rebel soldiers one could refer to as Rebel Troopers are not Special Forces or SpecForces even though a great deal of the Rellions troops most certainly are. Tantive and Yavin troops from the movie, the troops seen in Mysteries of the Sith, Galactic Battlegrounds and many other sources are clearly not SpecForces. The article is now non-special force related. Is this acceptable? One thing is still bugging me thoug, Rebel troopers (in plural) still redirects to Alliance Special Forces and i don't know how to fix that. It is the Rebel trooper article i rewrote....and not the Rebel troopers--Davidvcsandersen 21:03, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

  • I think you meant for this to go at Talk:Rebel trooper, but were thwarted by a redirect that was still in place. I've removed the redirect, copied your comment, and replied there. jSarek 01:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

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