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Episode VII Rebel Alliance Pilot
  • So do we have word of God confirmat that it is in fact the Alliance to Restore the Republic appearing in Star Wars 7 as opposed to a canonical New Republic, or are we just guessing? 18:42, November 28, 2014 (UTC)
    • That's a fair point, I suppose. What we have is a pilot flying with a helmet bearing a logo that's always been associated with the Rebel Alliance. ProfessorTofty (talk) 18:45, November 28, 2014 (UTC)
    • We do not, however for the time being I think it's safe to call this the Rebel Alliance, as no other organization has had that emblem. Things could change as we learn more about the movie, but for now at least I think we should keep it as the Rebel Alliance. Cevan (talk) 19:04, November 28, 2014 (UTC)
      • In any case, the consensus from other users now would seem to be to not call it the Rebel Alliance for now. ProfessorTofty (talk) 19:35, November 28, 2014 (UTC)
      • It is the Rebel Alliance -- 00:51, March 25, 2015 (UTC)Tacolyte371.86.95.26 00:51, March 25, 2015 (UTC)


  • I believe this article should be renamed "Rebel Alliance." The term has yet to be used in any canon. Once we see something, then we can restore the original name.--Marcuspearl (talk) 02:57, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
  • i agree Tacolyte3 (talk)Tacolyte3
    • "Alliance to Restore the Republic" is used in the Databank on 2 or 3 pages. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 03:09, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
      • Yeah, I think we should leave it as is. "Alliance to Restore the Republic" is actually used in canon sources. I think it's like the CIS/Separatist Alliance situation. Although they're often just referred to as the Separatist Alliance, their full, canon name is the Confederacy of Independent Systems. Cevan (talk) 03:21, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
      • Yea, But when was the last time the database was updated ? and plus, the CIS situation is different because that term is used in The Clone Wars. --Marcuspearl (talk) 03:26, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
        • What difference does it make if it hasn't been updated in a bit? It's still canon, and nothing will change that. I say we leave it as is. Cevan (talk) 03:29, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
          • I like Rebel Alliance better but canon is canon. In addition to the databank, the old SW encyclopedia (the canon one) used Alliance to Restore the Republic. Fe Nite (talk) 03:56, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
            • Technically speaking the name "Alliance to Restore the Republic" was used in the canon mobile game Star Wars: Galactic Defense. Thus the Alliance to Restore the Republic is the official canonical name, while Rebel Alliance and the Rebellion are simply slang terms, much like the Federal Republic of the United States of America is often referred to as America or the U.S.A. Comm. Boots (talk) 01:34, March 10, 2015 (UTC)


The current quote is
"The Rebel Alliance is too well equipped. They're more dangerous than you realize."
―Cassio Tagge[src]
and it is OK, but I have a feeling that a quote by the good side would be better than a line spoken by the bad guys. Is there some useful quotes from newly published comics and novels? I personally would use the Obi-Wan quote, in Star Wars Rebels: Spark of Rebellion, which is
"We will each be challenged; our trust, our faith, our friendships, but we must persevere. And in time, a new hope will emerge."
―Obi-Wan Kenobi[src]
It is kind of indirect mention than the former one, but it adds more of their struggle against the Empire. Only with the Tagge line sounds like the Rebel Alliance is more of a terrorist organization. Also, the same Tagge's quote is used in the History section. Any thoughts on changing the main quote? Jaewade (talk) 01:19, May 16, 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree that we should try and get a new quote, however I don't think we should use the Obi-Wan one. Cevan (talk) 14:39, May 16, 2015 (UTC)
    • I don't have any issues with the current quote, personally. There aren't that many quotes about the Rebel Alliance in canon. I also disagree that the current quote makes them sound like a terrorist organization. It makes it sound like they're formidable. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:43, May 16, 2015 (UTC)
      • Yeah, nothing really bad about the quote, I just wondered if there's some lines that make the Alliance looks more heroic, like the quote used in the Legends page. I hope there will be a better one in the future Jaewade (talk) 11:28, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Secret senatorial meetings in Episode III Edit

The history gallery for the Databank's "Galactic Senate" entry uses a picture from a deleted scene. Does this mean we can regard said scene as canon? --LelalMekha (talk) 17:38, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

  • Just to add to this, the Delegation of 2,000 is currently canon thanks to the Databank, there are pictures and information from these deleted scenes on other Databank pages (I know at least Mon Mothma's page has this), and there is info and at least one picture from these scenes within Ultimate Star Wars. Cevan (talk) 17:41, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

Missing InformationEdit

This page is about the Rebel Alliance and their various missions to defeat the Empire so it seems strange to me that all the events that occurred between A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back as detailed in the 2015 Marvel Star Wars series are not included in this page. Has no one just gotten around to it or has it been purposely left out because of a reason? Harshg (talk) 13:44, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

  • No one's gotten around to it. If you'd like, feel free to add that info! - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:04, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

Unnecessary InformationEdit

The The Berch Teller insurgency and the Ryloth Rebellion are both not connected with the Rebel Alliance and didn't contribute to it in anyway. I don't see why they have their own mini sections. They can just be mentioned under the Age of the Empire section. There are bound to be many more small rebellions like this. We can't add all of them. Harshg (talk) 18:28, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

Secret Cargo eventsEdit

  • Ok since many of us seen the episode, I remembered some parts of the speech of Mothma and went to the Rogue One Ultimate Visual Guide and found this., it says that her resigning to the senate and the speech was the declaration of rebellion that gave rise to the formal Alliance. Question is: How you interpret this information, I think that the source is telling that those events was the formal declaration of the Alliance, but before I change anything on both rebellion and alliance page, wanted to see what all you of think about this--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 04:44, March 5, 2017 (UTC)

Holy interplanetary yardstick! --The 178th Legion 11:15, March 5, 2017 (UTC)

  • Gave rise doesn't necessarily mean it formed right then and there. It just means it led to the events that culminated in the formal establishment of the Rebel Alliance. Given that multiple rebel cells came together with her after that speech, well, it can certainly be said that the speech gave rise to the unification of the rebellion, which in turn led to the Rebel Alliance. Reddyredcp (talk) 14:37, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
    • Agreed with Reddyredcp. Rebels Recon also makes mention of the fact that this is a key event in the formation of the Rebel Alliance, not the specific founding moment. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:57, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
    • Well someone already changed to the 2BBY, should we removed it until a more official confirmation?--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 17:17, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
      • I think so, since what we saw in Secret Cargo was a key event rather than the specific founding moment, as Brandon said. JRT2010 (talk) 18:33, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
        • I've seen on the SW rebels fb page for the 10 moments list and Recon that says "A Rebel Alliance was born in "Secret Cargo." Here are 10 highlights form the pivotal #StarWarsRebels episode.", I think that it is, but I think we should wait for episode guide to be sure about this. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 19:19, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
          • That article is a editorial piece that has nothing to do with the Story Group. Those articles shouldn't be taken as canonical sources. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 21:22, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
            • The R1 Visual Guide link that Anil provided does state that Mothma's declaration of rebellion is what "gave rise" to the formal Alliance to Restore the Republic. Could this mean that the Rebel Alliance was born the moment she gave that speech, or that it was the start of a process that culminated in the official establishment of the Rebel Alliance? JRT2010 (talk) 21:31, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
              • Given what was said in Rebels Recon, it would be the latter. We'll surely see a moment in the show where they officially declare themselves the Rebel Alliance. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 21:48, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
                • I take it we haven't gotten more concrete word on whether or not the Alliance has truly been founded yet in Rebels? Cevan IMPpress (talk) 00:28, March 17, 2017 (UTC)
                  • It was implied that was the beginning of the Alliance. Fan26 (talk) 01:04, March 17, 2017 (UTC)
                    • That's what the episode guide says, but that's not written by the Story Group and has been known to occasionally get things wrong. Cevan IMPpress (talk) 17:07, March 19, 2017 (UTC)
                    • Per the sourcing canon policy Databank is an acceptable canon source just like the Rogue One Ultimate Visual Guide. We have both source stating this, this shouln't be a problem. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 17:46, March 19, 2017 (UTC)

Rebel Network Edit

So, just recently the page for the rebellion was deleted, and the information seems to have been merged with the page for both the Alliance and the early rebellion against the Galactic Empire. I was just wondering if it would still be a good idea to create a "Rebel network" page, or something like it, because it's clear that although the various cells didn't band together until "Secret Cargo", there was still a kind of coordinated network, led by Bail, Mon and maybe some others, and that's what Ahsoka would have worked for as Fulcrum. Basically, a page about the people who slowly worked to make the formation of the Alliance possible. Of course, this could be redundant, but it's just an idea.SilverSunbird (talk) 03:05, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

  • Having a page for the coordinated efforts of the rebel cells is unnecessary, as was established here. The coordinated efforts are part of various other pages, and do not warrant an organization page of their own because the cells did not become one organization until the formation of the Alliance. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 03:29, October 23, 2017 (UTC)
    • Well at least I'm not the only one who thinks about it. Concensus although wrong is No, although is clearly that Bail and Mothma managed the network of cells that one day will become the Alliance. The organization is not about the cells becoming together as an organization, is about the network of communication and cooperation managed by Ahsoka, Bail and Mothma. Those cells were part of that network since they received their intel from that network, that's how they knew about each other.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 03:44, October 23, 2017 (UTC)
      • They received intel from Rebel intelligence operatives in a loose intelligence network, such as the Fulcrum agents, that became Alliance Intelligence. You are debating in circles, Ruiz, and if you'd like to test your luck in a consensus track vote, which you will almost certainly lose, then feel free. Otherwise, I strongly recommend dropping this issue because it's been settled. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 03:47, October 23, 2017 (UTC)
        • Stop the aggresive behavior. I was explaining to Silver not you, How did I started my answer? Although concensus is wrong the answer is No...I'm not recreating the page, I'm not saying that the SH concensus was not valid. I accepted the result. I can and will keep defending my point Like it or not, but I'm not going against the concensus --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 04:08, October 23, 2017 (UTC)


  • Okay, so I'm wondering if it's okay to add extra information regarding the Battle of Scarif. I just find it rather odd that the Alliance's first major victory against the Empire gets only a passing mention within the context of the Battle of Yavin. I get that Yavin happened a few days later and is arguably the more important battle, but still a paragraph or two would be nice. ("Dreampowert (talk) 15:34, December 1, 2017 (UTC)")
    • You don't have to ask you can make any edits you want, as long as they're sourced, but this page is in need of a update so feel free to expand upon it! --Lewisr (talk) 15:39, December 1, 2017 (UTC)

Actual formation of the AllianceEdit

After about two weeks of editing and reading Star Wars: The Rebel Files – Deluxe Edition, it seems so me that the Alliance was unofficially formed sometime prior to 5 BBY, and officially made in 2 BBY in the Declaration of the Rebel Alliance. An example from the book is that the Liberators decided to join the Alliance in 5 BBY. In an excerpt, which is an in-universe letter, from Catta Dionize on behalf of Travia Chan, to Senator Mon Mothma of the Alliance. Here is the letter dated 14 AFE, or 5 BBY: After due deliberation, Madame Travia Chan of the Atrivis Resistance Group agrees to the terms of partnership with Senator Mon Mothma of the Alliance. May our factions be stronger together than apart. No more Mantooines! No more Empire!

It is also implied that organizations such as Alliance High Command and Alliance Civil Government existed prior to the Declaration of the Rebel Alliance. Also, Davits Draven wrote a surveillance report to Commander-in-Chief Mon Mothma about the Lothal Resistance Cell describing that they were the real deal, as if they weren't part of Phoenix Squadron yet.

Also, Jun Sato contacted Jan Dodonna about starfighter assets, and referred to Phoenix Home and Alliance Starfighter Command in the present tense, meaning that this was before Phoenix Home was destroyed in 5 BBY during the Siege of Lothal. This is the entire excerpt: Commander Jun Sato to General Dodonna The Rebellion can't ignore the advantage of fast-moving interceptors for hit-and-fade strikes. My unit, Phoenix Squadron, relies heavily on the A-wing and our skilled pilots. Lacking carriers, we've transported our A-wings aboard a Pelta-class frigate and a CR90 corvette (with the help of docking tubes and umbilicals). Dedicated fighter carriers will be required as the Alliance broadens the scope of Starfighter Command. The A-wing is a single-pilot craft, but we have found the two-seater RZ-1T trainer extremely helpful in certifying bush pilots on the equipment. If models are available, we could use A-wing trainers at the flight schools on Homon and Farstey.

There's more throughout the book, taking place before the "official" date of 2 BBY. I believe this has big implications, and if true we may need to make a lot of changes. I used this video and this video for all of the information, articles, and new articles I've worked on for about two weeks after careful review of the pages seen in the video. If anyone has this book, please see if you can find out more about this topic!!!

--Vitus InfinitusTalk 04:39, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

  • Before the "official" declaration of the Alliance an organization of some sort existed, call it the rebel network or the "Pre-Alliance", I don't want to get too much in this, since I had some difficulties expressing my thoughts before and I don't want to cause any trouble or misunderstanding while expressing my idea to the adopted position adopted by the concensus. But yeah we had something as Rebel Command and Rebel Intelligence as the predecessors to High Command and Alliance Intelligence this might indicate what are you saying that an "alliance" of some sort existed before the 2BBY event. This network of cells all connected and answered to Command which may explain why they call it Alliance, and officially they made themselves public or an official resistance movement--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 09:31, January 7, 2018 (UTC)
    • Yes I remembered that article when I wrote this. There's definitely an unofficial Alliance before the 2 BBY date, but what I find interesting is that Alliance Starfighter Command wasn't called "Rebel Starfighter Command" like Rebel Command or etc. I think there could also be the possibility that the Alliance existed prior to 2 BBY and the Declaration of the Rebel Alliance was a call to arms, rather than the formation of the Alliance. I'm not sure, there are several possibilities, all have large consequences I think.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 14:02, January 7, 2018 (UTC)
"We're in the process of building an alliance, uniting the various rebel cells across the galaxy. My challenge to the Emperor was a call to stand against the Empire. My hope is, all who answer it will see that they are not alone. I must be there to meet them."
Senator Mon Mothma, out-of universe minutes before her Declaration of the Rebel Alliance[src]
--18:44, January 7, 2018 (UTC) Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).

Yes but the question is whether the Alliance was formed prior to that^. The quote just shows that the Declaration of the Rebel Alliance wasn't the actual formation of the Alliance but a call to unite various rebel cells and normal citizens against the Empire. This quote is also from Star Wars: The Rebel Files – Deluxe Edition: This is from Mon Mothma prior to making her speech Following is the address I will make within the hour. It will go out across all Alliance comm channels and will be inserted into the public holonet wherever we have a satellite splice. Trillions of beings will soon hear my voice. This is a galaxy-wide call to arms. We can no longer fight in isolation. Today is the first day of the Rebel Alliance. Together, we will restore the Republic. This kind of seems like a rallying call, but the Alliance may have been formed prior to this as evidenced above. I don't have the book, so it's difficult for me to make that call.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 23:45, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

"Back in the early days, before the Rebellion formally existed, a lot of guerrillas got their hands dirty doing things no one else wanted to do—or even think about. The Alliance would never have existed without them, Princess. Those men and women were my mentors—I've spent my entire career trying to live up to their example."
Major Lokmarcha of the Rebel Alliance, to Princess Leia Organa[src]
--00:40, January 8, 2018 (UTC)

"Today is the first day of the Rebel Alliance" pretty much answers that question. This is the only source that is referring to the rebel cells as the Alliance prior to Secret Cargo so I see no reason why this should change what has been depicted in the series. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 00:47, January 8, 2018 (UTC)

  • I thought back to that also, but what I've seen in the book seems to contradict that, unless when the book states Alliance Starfighter Command or "joining the Alliance" before the 2 BBY date it uses "Alliance" as an informal/unofficial term. There is the question of the book being wrong, but with all of the connections and legends to canon crossovers, and the lack of mistakes I've seen, this isn't probable. Again, someone with the book should check this out if anyone has it.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 00:52, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
    • Alliance is not necessary about the Rebel Alliance, is the alliance/network/organization between the cells and Mothma/Organa, they called it joining the alliance since they're joining an alliance just not that alliance yet.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 00:56, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
      • Yes but in each case it was "Alliance" not "alliance", which gives it more substance of being an actual organization. That's what's curious about this whole thing in my opinion.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 04:06, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
        • I don't know if you have seen this, but this boils down to why we merged 'the rebellion' page into the Alliance page prelude and Early rebellion against the Galactic Empire. Is there anything in the book that really suggests that it is a separate organisation and doesn't just belong in the early foundations section of the Alliance to Restore the Republic --Lewisr (talk) 04:26, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
          • I don't think the argument here is that it's a separate organization, but rather that the organization was founded prior to "Secret Cargo." (Not that I agree, to be clear.) - Brandon Rhea(talk) 05:32, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
            • I also find it unlikely, but I believe this book made it probable and thought it warranted a necessary discussion--Vitus InfinitusTalk 12:39, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
              • The Alliance being formed before the events of Secret Cargo seems to go against everything that we know so far --Lewisr (talk) 12:42, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
  • Just found saw this information: Everyone, go to this video and pause at 5:16. This quote listed above: Following is the address I will make within the hour. It will go out across all Alliance comm channels and will be inserted into the public holonet wherever we have a satellite splice. Trillions of beings will soon hear my voice. This is a galaxy-wide call to arms. We can no longer fight in isolation. Today is the first day of the Rebel Alliance. Together, we will restore the Republic. is from Mon Mothma to the Rebel Council on the right page, and below it is the speech in Secret Cargo. In the left page, it labels the diagram as the Rebel Council. The diagram lists members of Alliance Civil Government and Alliance High Command. If you look at the labels underneath each character, some say that they are in charge of Alliance Intelligence, Fleet Command, Support Services, etc. If these Alliance to Restore the Republic units/branches existed before Mon Mothma made her speech, in Secret Cargo, which is the exact same speech, then that means that the Alliance was founded before 2 BBY, likely around 5 BBY as that's when Phoenix Home was still active when Sato mentioned Alliance Starfighter Command and the Alliance when he spoke with Jan Dodonna.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 15:53, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
    • I think you're being too literal in reading those labels. It's showing the members of those organizations, and then showing Mon Mothma's speech. It is in no way implying that those organizations existed prior to the speech. It's like saying references to A New Hope in, say, the Rogue One Visual Dictionary means that A New Hope must have taken place prior to Rogue One. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:05, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
      • Maybe, but then there's the contradiction of Sato's message to Dodonna, as well as the Atrivis Resistance Group supposedly joining the Alliance around the time the Liberators were active, around 5 BBY. What I'm beginning to think, is that the Alliance existed prior to 2 BBY but not publicly, or in a major way. The book, and other sources like Star Wars Rebels, indicate that surveillance was done on resistance groups. In the rebel files, Ahsoka Tano sent a message to General Draven about how the Lothal Resistance Cell was the "real deal". After the Rescue of Kanan, ahsoka states that the strategy changed, so maybe it was after this that the Alliance decided to change tactics into more military and larger manners, ultimately culminating in Mothma's speech to the galaxy and rebel comm channels that served as a call to arms (also being mentioned as a call to arms in the book and above quotes). This is my speculation, but it's what I think is the most probable, and there have been no other continuity or contradictions that I could see in this book, and the fact that there are many legends to canon crossovers, seems to indicate that the Story Group may have contributed more help to the author to get things right. (Another speculation).--Vitus InfinitusTalk 16:19, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
        • It's most likely that they were referring to themselves as an Alliance but that didn't mean that the Alliance to Restore the Republic was fully formed yet. There's a reason why the term Rebel Alliance isn't used in Rebels until after Secret Cargo. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:31, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
          • Yes that's also a possibility, yet in Chronicle 1 "Organizing the Rebellion" section of the book, dated 14-17 AFE, after the formation of the empire, so 5 BBY to 2 BBY, in the first page of the section I believe, is a diagram which shows the structure of Alliance Civil Government and Alliance High Command, which is page 4, 5. The book contains all notes, excerpts, articles, etc, in chronological order, and in the pages before 19 are the mentions of the Atrivis Resistance Group, and Sat's letter to Dodonna. Mon Mothma's speech in Secret Cargo is in page 47. Note, that if the organization of the rebellion into the Alliance began in 5 BBY, then that's the probable date it began. Ahsoka mentioning that the strategy was changing soon after the Rescue of Kanan Jarrus in 4 BBY, seems to possibly correlate this. If people still feel the same that the Alliance was formed in 2 BBY during Secret Cargo, then I suggest we either ask a Story Group member for their opinion, to help us better decide, or we wait until someone has the full book and can corroborate which is more likely, and we can further discuss. Or we can continue debating now if people wish. Here are the videos that I've been using for the past two weeks to create articles, add info to existing, etc: This video and this video--Vitus InfinitusTalk 17:16, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
  • Okay, tweet from Matt Martin cleared this up a lot for me. Basically, how I understand it, before 2 BBY, the early Alliance to Restore the Republic may have called itself Rebel Alliance, or use Alliance as an informal term, along with Rebel or Rebellion. Maybe it explains why in this book, Alliance Starfighter Command and Alliance Intelligence are named as such before 2 BBY, but Rebel Command was the name to what would become Alliance High Command as shown in Star Wars Rebels. How I see it, it wasn't until 2 BBY that it decided, "yes this is going to be our official name and we have to let the galaxy know, it's official, and we're against the Empire". That's how I understand the twitter thread: [1]. As to when exactly those units or institutions originally began, we may never know, but they officially began in 2 BBY after Mothma's speech. On the twitter thread Matt said how "alliance" would be used rather than "Alliance" (even though it's Alliance in the book) I feel like those could be interchangeable.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 20:45, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
  • Next time try to help with something you actually own. Support the authors and publishers and don't read books online. -- 21:25, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
    • It would have still regardless brought up this question, better now than later, no need for rude remarks. I used two review videos on youtube, which have been stated to be fine to use, and I plan on purchasing this book either soon, or when the book only edition comes out in July.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 21:39, January 8, 2018 (UTC)
  • Just found this on page 13. After the Atrivis Resistance Group joined Mon Mothma around 5 BBY, she began calling what would be the Alliance to Restore the Republic, as simply "the Alliance". That basically answers this question.--Vitus InfinitusTalk 03:50, January 9, 2018 (UTC)