Opinion[]
This guy is awsome! Why does he look so mad? —Unsigned comment by 66.82.9.83 (talk • contribs).
- Please keep opinions off of talk pages. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 00:21, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Do we have any more images of him? —Unsigned comment by 69.19.14.43 (talk • contribs).
- Theres been afew in the recent comics but none that are particuly clear Jedi Dude 14:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
- There's been only two good ones. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 19:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
- Theres been afew in the recent comics but none that are particuly clear Jedi Dude 14:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Are you gonna post them? —Unsigned comment by 69.19.14.25 (talk • contribs).
- No. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
That sucks. —Unsigned comment by 71.55.168.104 (talk • contribs).
- You should just buy the comic. -- Ozzel 19:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
- Plus, I'm not good at uploading pictures. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 19:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
That would work if I could find a freaking book store that sold it! —Unsigned comment by 71.55.168.104 (talk • contribs).
- Well, every bookstore that I've been to sells them... What bookstores are near you? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 00:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Borders and Barnes and Noble. But their 45 miles away!
- Well, the ones near me both had the comics. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 15:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh well I guess I'll buy it off of ebay
- It's probably best not to continue this here. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 21:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
You're right this really has NOTHING to do with Draco
- Then why did you have to say something else? Now, let this post end it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- I believe that's Antares Draco accompanying Roan Fel in Legacy 8, but I'm uncertain because of the new artist. Anyone else that can confirm, before I add it to his appearances list? Vryce 00:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- I don't have Legacy 8 yet, but there is an Imperial Knight similar to Draco that's show being killed by Krayt in Legacy 1, I believe. So, it's best not to put that in yet. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 00:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- It's from a different scene than that, and he's got some of the scaring of Draco. Vryce 00:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- Then it's probably Draco. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 00:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- It's from a different scene than that, and he's got some of the scaring of Draco. Vryce 00:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- I don't have Legacy 8 yet, but there is an Imperial Knight similar to Draco that's show being killed by Krayt in Legacy 1, I believe. So, it's best not to put that in yet. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 00:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Wedge speculation[]
Is all the speculation really needed? We can go to a discussion forum if we want rumors. And just for the record, I'm finding it hard to find a similarity between Draco and Wedge. Their bottom lips look somewhat similar, but that's where the similarities end for me. Cull Tremayne 19:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- PS, If the Fel dynasty is indeed descended from the Fels we know and love, Wedge isn't an ancestor - since the line comes from his sister. Blood relative, yes. Ancestor... no. QuentinGeorge 19:56, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Well technically, Wedge would still be an ancestor, just in-directly. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 20:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- I stripped it down some; if consensus thinks it ought to outright vanish, I'd have no objection. jSarek 21:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Well technically, Wedge would still be an ancestor, just in-directly. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 20:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
*clears throat*
Okay, as the user who added in the material, let me explain my logic in doing so. The idea wasn't to open speculation or discussion here at Wookiee, but simply to report the fan theories as being relevant to the character. These sorts of questions represents a lot of Draco's percieved "identity" right now, so if people come to Wiki looking for answers to what they've heard about him, it makes sense (to me at least) to supply them with a clear, neutral summary of the POVs that can help them make their own minds up. Compare the section on Mara Jade's parentage, for instance.
A record of fan discussion is a different thing from fan discussion itself: it's not what every fan will be interested in, of course, but it is IMHO part of what a wiki page like this should provide.
No? I'm interested to know what other people think about this.... --McEwok 23:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- So if I came up with a theory on Palpatine being related to Darth Bane and I got a ton of people to agree with me, I could post that? I don't think so. The same goes for this. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 23:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Of course you could. If there was a popular fan-theory about Palpatine being related to Bane, it would be relevant to to Palpatine#Behind_the_scenes, as are the theories about his appearance and name, discussed at Palpatine#Disfiguration_debate and Palpatine#Fan_speculation.
- I want to point out, also, that the theories about Draco being possibly related to these other characters are not my own.
- 1.) I'm among those who sees similarities between Antares and Anakin Solo, certainly, but I doubt I was the first to think this, and I'm not going around trying to persuade other people to share this POV.
- 2.) The Wedge resemblance was something that was pointed out by someone else in a TF.N discussion thread yesterday, which I hadn't really considered before.
- I can see the logic of both theories, but I can also see that they may be wrong: their inclusion is due simply to the fact that they're current. If your hypothetical "I came up with a theory... and I got a ton of people to agree with me" was an attempt to represent what you think my role here is, then you're misunderstanding totally. They're not my theories, and there's no insinuation that either idea is (or "should be") true, merely an observation that they're extant.
- Again, I refer you to Mara_Jade_Skywalker#Relationships_to_other_characters for an analogy. --McEwok 01:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- You missed my point. Just because some people thought about it does not mean we include it in the article. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 01:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- No, I didn't miss your point. I dealt with it, first taking the specific example you raised: If there was a popular fan-theory about Palpatine being related to Bane, it would be relevant to to Palpatine#Behind_the_scenes, as are the theories about his appearance and name, discussed at Palpatine#Disfiguration_debate and Palpatine#Fan_speculation.
- And I followed this up by using an example of my own, one which I'd already cited before you even asked the question: Again, I refer you to Mara_Jade_Skywalker#Relationships_to_other_characters for an analogy.
- To answer again, directly: the information on fan theories is relevant to the character, and I accordingly believe it should stay, in nPOV summary form, on the page. --McEwok 03:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- No. Fan theories do not deserve a place in "Behind the scenes" unless they are supported by canon somehow. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 12:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- "Supported by canon" is very much a subjective POV. The theories aren't plucked out of thin air, but are based on the observation of similarities—a matter of suggestion rather than certainty, yes, but based directly and entirely on the analysis of canon. As such, they therefore deserve inclusion. Also, refering to the theories explains the way the character is being percieved/discussed in online contexts, which seems fairly relevant to the purpose of this page.
- Anyone else want to add their POV on this? --McEwok 15:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Just because two people look similar does not mean we can just put something in the "Behind the scenes" section, unless a canon source says something like "Possibly a descandant of Wedge Antilles, Draco..." Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- But if two people look similar, and fans have noted that similarity and used it as the basis for thoughts about their relationship, we can report that speculation in "Behind the scenes". I've already cited comparable examples of similar stuff on other pages. --McEwok 02:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- So if I looked like a famous actor, could I go around saying I might be related to such an actor? No. The same goes here. I don't care what other articles have; that type of fan speculation should be removed from Wookieepedia. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 15:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- That's not an accurate analogy, and I'm sure you must realise the difference. It's about reporting the theory. The real-world equivalent would be if there was a widespread theory, right or wrong, about someone being secretly related to a member of the British royal family. Oh, wait.... --McEwok 16:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- "reporting the theory"? That's no reason to put it in the article. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 00:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- Why not? --McEwok 13:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- Because it's fan speculation, and a slight miswording could make it fanon. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 14:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- That makes no sense. There's no problem if it's not misphrased. --McEwok 17:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- It's still fan speculation and should not be included. We're not a website where people can post their theories on things. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- No, but we are a website where people can legitimately report the theories about canon material that are current in fandom. --McEwok 22:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- Wrong. We're not a forum. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 00:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think we have a policy on this, but my opinon on the matter is that using a forum post as a source for fan speculation smacks of fanwankery to me. Our goal is to include only theories that are widely believed in the SW community, not act as a catalogue of every single fan theory out there. StarNeptuneTalk to me! 01:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- And even that ("only theories that are widely believed in the SW community") should be limited to theories supported by canon only. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 01:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- StarNeptune, I agree with you! For clarification, my aim was to post what seemed to me to be the key points of general fan POV: the Wedge suggestion prompted head-nodding, from myself and others, on and beyond TF.N—a small sample, admittedly, but it seemed enough at the time. I guess the question is whether the theories in question are sufficiently high-profile—so how do we resolve this? Perhaps it ought to be discussed as a general question at a future Mofference? --McEwok 02:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Also, one more thing to say: Wedge and Antares don't really look that much alike. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 12:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- I just want to comment on what QuentinGeorge said. I fail to see how that negates all possibility that Wedge is his ancestor. Antares isn't a Fel.--Lord OblivionSith holocron 06:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
- That's true. Wedge could have had a girl who married a Draco. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 12:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
- I just want to comment on what QuentinGeorge said. I fail to see how that negates all possibility that Wedge is his ancestor. Antares isn't a Fel.--Lord OblivionSith holocron 06:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
In love with the princess[]
Is that allowed? When I read legacy #6 it sounded like it was forbidden.
- Well, there's no way of finding that out. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 21:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
- It is a taboo to have Master/Servant romances in a lot of cultures; servants are generally of 'common birth' and are often looked upon as inferior by those of the more 'priviledged' classes. To be seen to have a relationship with a commoner could lessen a member of the Upper-class's standing in the eyes of one's peers.Tocneppil 22:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
- But we don't know if the New Galactic Empire was like that. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 00:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- I think there was a mention of it in The Courtship of Princess Leia, Jack. The whole thing about Isolder looking down on Han, and Threepio going into the Solo family tree?Tocneppil 08:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think that's so much an Imperial thing, though. Thats more for the benefit of the Hapes Consortium and the Royal House of Alderaan, I think. Lonnyd 08:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I was referring to the 'overall' class system prejudices in general. After all, Han was neither Hapan nor from Alderaan, yet Isolder looked down upon him. Threepio looking into the Solo family tree was his attempt to bring Han up from the level of 'commoner' that Isolder saw him as.Tocneppil 09:06, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- Pretty ambiuous, but I would assume that there is this prejudice among any culture that has "royalty." Lonnyd 09:24, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, the Empire went from bad to good. Who knows. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 12:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- Pretty ambiuous, but I would assume that there is this prejudice among any culture that has "royalty." Lonnyd 09:24, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I was referring to the 'overall' class system prejudices in general. After all, Han was neither Hapan nor from Alderaan, yet Isolder looked down upon him. Threepio looking into the Solo family tree was his attempt to bring Han up from the level of 'commoner' that Isolder saw him as.Tocneppil 09:06, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think that's so much an Imperial thing, though. Thats more for the benefit of the Hapes Consortium and the Royal House of Alderaan, I think. Lonnyd 08:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- I think there was a mention of it in The Courtship of Princess Leia, Jack. The whole thing about Isolder looking down on Han, and Threepio going into the Solo family tree?Tocneppil 08:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- But we don't know if the New Galactic Empire was like that. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 00:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- It is a taboo to have Master/Servant romances in a lot of cultures; servants are generally of 'common birth' and are often looked upon as inferior by those of the more 'priviledged' classes. To be seen to have a relationship with a commoner could lessen a member of the Upper-class's standing in the eyes of one's peers.Tocneppil 22:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Isn't it a large assumption that Draco would be of a significantly lower class? I understand that she's the Imperial princess, I merely mean that Roan Fel as well as his daughter are both trained as Imperial Knights. Being the head of the Imperial Knights would, to my reasoning at least, be a prestigious position equated with the nobility. Vryce 06:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- Perhaps... —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 21:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, you could look at it from the snobiest point of view... would you marry the head dog? --72.200.125.100 03:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- As of Legacy 9, Fel told Draco personally that he was nowhere close to marrying his daughter. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Fel should know that saying that was only going to encourage Draco. ;) —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 11:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- As of Legacy 9, Fel told Draco personally that he was nowhere close to marrying his daughter. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, you could look at it from the snobiest point of view... would you marry the head dog? --72.200.125.100 03:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Action figures[]
An action figure two-pack with Krieg and Draco was featured at the 2008 Toy Fair. Link Should this be mentioned in the article?
- Perhaps in the "Behind the Scenes" section. Darth Nefarious 01:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Valin Draco[]
Are they related?--74.160.193.194 05:09, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Death Speculation[]
The article claims that Niin killed Draco, but that's not conclusively established in the comic. Shouldn't the text be amended to something more neutral, until his death is confirmed in Legacy Wars?
- Nope, it shouldn't. The text should reflect what canonically happened. His two best friends in the galaxy feel his death in the Force --- that's a representation of death, and second-guessing that would be calling the entire comic medium into question (There's no narrative to definitively state "Yes, he's dead", so how we can take any comic death as conclusively established?). Until we get canon that indicates otherwise, the article needs to reflect what happened on the comic's pages. Anything otherwise would set a nasty precedent among featured articles of second-guessing --- and not just for comic characters, but The Clone Wars characters, too, and anybody else who dies in a visual medium. Menkooroo 06:26, September 2, 2010 (UTC)