I'll write in full here, since the edit comment is limited.

Anyway, even if not written in an abbreviated form in a source, the fact that it's made by Kuat Drive Yards, like most other Imperial walkers, is another off-shoot of the AT-AT (like the AT-IC), and there already exists at least another KDY transport that has a different terrain name ("Unstable Terrain" in UT-AT, and that's a repulsor vehicle as well), I'd say having this abbreviation is valid. This isn't like the controversial size-debates. It's just the abbreviated form of the vehicle name. :P VT-16 11:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

• VT, I agree that if abbreviated, it would be AA-AT. But a)this abbreviation doesn't appear in any sources, and b)calling it the "AT-AT swimmer" might even be an abbreviation for it. As of now, I'm going to remove it again, and when the abbreviation appears in a canon source, it can be re-added. VT, please do not re-add it until the abbreviation is sourced. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Why would an abbreviation need to be sourced anywhere? It's an abbreviation. They're used all the time for titles (both in-universe and out-of-universe). This is also a KDY product, which already has:

• All Terrain Armored Transport (AT-AT)
• All Terrain Open Transport (AT-OT)
• All Terrain Scout Transport (AT-ST)
• All Terrain Scout Transport/Assault (AT-ST/A)
• All Terrain Recon Transport (AT-RT)
• All Terrain Ion Cannon (AT-IC)
• All Terrain Advance Raider (AT-AR)
• Unstable Terrain Artillery Transport (UT-AT)

And the RHE subsidary company:

• All Terrain Personal Transport (AT-PT)
• All Terrain Experimental Transport (AT-XT)
• All Terrain Tactical Enforcer (AT-TE)
• All Terrain Heavy Enforcer (AT-HE)
• All Terrain Attack Pod (AT-AP)
• All Terrain Anti Aircraft (AT-AA)
• Self-Propelled Heavy Artillery (SPHA)
• Self-Propelled Medium Artillery (SPMA)

And from Carida:

• Mountain Terrain Armored Transport (MT-AT)
• Mountain Terrain Scout Transport (MT-ST)

When another vehicle in the same line comes along that's called Aquatic Assault Armored Transport (with capital letters in each word, like all the others), AA-AT is the military abbreviation. I can understand AT-AT Swimmer for a nickname, but the abbreviation should also follow the KDY & Co. conventions (even their air vehicles and non-walker ground vehicles have that.) VT-16 15:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

• Still, all those abbreviations are sourced. I'd prefer to see "AA-AT" sourced before it's in the article again. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
• This doesn't make any sense, it not only follows the naming rules to the letter, but it's an abbreviation. They all have it. Abbreviations exist so long names can be shortened and simplified, especially in militaries. That's the point. And the source is the name itself. Four big letters, one in each word, as that is the way it is named. It's exactly like the Armored Transports for regular and mountainous terrain. I'm putting it back. VT-16 21:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
  • VT, right now you're only adding speculation. Speculation is not allowed. If you keep it up, you know that the page will be locked. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 23:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
• Abbreviation for a military technical name is not speculation. Don't be stupid. The source is in the name itself. It's written exactly the same as all the other KDY vehicles, with capital letters for each word. That sets the precedence. VT-16 00:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
  • It is an unsourced addition that is nothing but speculation, regardless of what the name of the vehicle is. I am therefore going to request this article to be protected. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Protected. Notify an administrator when it's settled. —Silly Dan _(talk) 01:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
      • I was hoping an administrator could watch over the debate. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 01:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Just read the debate page. I've already said everything that needs to be said. The source is right there, in the name. Just like all the other Kuat vehicles. VT-16 01:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Okay, VT, if you want it in the article so bad, it can go in on one condition: It's in a "Behind the scenes" section, and it's stated like this: Although never appearing in a source, the likely abbreviation for this vehicle is "AA-AT". However, this is, as of now, not confirmed. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:32, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

This one's a toughy. It's quite obvious that this vehicle is meant to be part of the XX-XX series, but technically the abbreviation in itself isn't canon. But VT-16 raises a valid question - do abbreviations need to be canon in order to use them in our articles? Probably not. I don't feel strongly enough about it to make a stand either way, but will offer a suggestion: Include the abbreviation in the first line of the article, but don't make it bold. That way, it doesn't look like it's part of the official name, but allows the long name to be shortened throughout the rest of the article. Afterall, that's what abbreviations are for. It's probably worth mentioning in the BTS section, or even providing a link to a footnote. --Azizlight 13:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• I have to disagree with putting it at the beginning of the article. And abbreviations without sources is a bad idea, because it is equal to speculation. For example, while "AA-AT" is most likely the abbreviation for this vehicle, how do we know for sure that it is? The presence of "AT-AT swimmer" makes me think that AT-AT swimmer is the abbreviation, not "AA-AT". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Because abbreviations take select letters that represent each word and put them together, for ease of writing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbreviation

AT-AT Swimmer is a nickname, not an abbreviation. VT-16 15:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Fine, but still, I believe we should have it only in a "Behind the scenes" section until some source says "AA-AT" is the abbreviation for Aquatic Assault Armored Transport. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 15:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• For the record, I wouldn't suggest this if there wasn't a precedent for it. The name "Aquatic Assault Armored Transport", is written in exactly the same fashion as other KDY technical names: All Terrain Armored Transport, that's AT-AT, Mountain Terrain Armored Transport, that's MT-AT. They're armored transports for general terrain and mountainous terrain. This thing is an armored transport for aquatic terrain. Why bother writing the technical name with capital letters if they're not meant to be used in abbreviated form? VT-16 15:47, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Fine, unprotect the page and put (AA-AT). I'm tired of this discussion anyway. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 15:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
    • OK, I'm unprotecting: VT-16 can edit the lead as he likes. I'm also requesting more sources, though, since both listed WEG sources, and the AT-AT databank entry, just call it an AT-AT swimmer. I'm not sure where the AA-AT comes from. —Silly Dan _(talk) 00:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
      • You mean the name and not the unsourced abbreviation, correct? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
        • Yes, though a source for the abbreviation would be nice too. —Silly Dan _(talk) 01:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

The name(s)Edit

I've gone through both sources listed here and I've found no trace of "Aquatic Assault Armored Transport". I have made two discoveries though: Seems "AT-AT Swimmer" is used like "AT-AT Walker" (both written with capital letters, I've seen this in several sourcebooks, so it's not strange). The only technical name has been "aquatic-terrain armored transport" (small letters and I think the "-" between the first two words is similar to how some books write All-Terrain Armored Transport). Either way, the abbreviation would be the same as AT-AT, so I guess that's why they made AT-AT Swimmer to differentiate.

What do we do now? VT-16 09:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

• If there's no evidence for the current name, it should be moved to Aquatic-Terrain Armored Transport in that case. QuentinGeorge 09:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
• Or "Aquatic Terrain Armored Transport". VT-16 10:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)