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Ywing helmet imageEdit

How is the Ywing Helmet unnecessary? --Razzy1319 05:38, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

  • Having an image of helmets is completely unnecissary because 1) it doesn't make the article any better, 2) it is too large, 3) there's no point for having it, and 4) it's probably fan-made. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:48, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
    • How does additional info make an article worse? point for having: to provide more information, which is why this wiki exists. If the rogue squadron handbook is fan-made, then can I call you a monkeys uncle? --Razzy1319 17:06, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
      • There is no reason to have a picture of helmets. That's just plain stupid. Admiral J. Nebulax 17:07, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
        • I just gave you good reasons, your just to attached to "your" article to the point of flaming someone --Razzy1319 17:14, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
          • There is no good reason to put up a picture of a helmet on the Y-wing page. Helmets are for pilots, not their starfighters. Admiral J. Nebulax 17:16, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
            • they are specific for the Ywing alone, that makes them a vital component of the ship and its operations. --Razzy1319 17:20, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
          • The whole point of a wiki is that nobody owns an article. And if you would actually check the page history before making accusations like that, you'd see that his edits on this page have been fairly minor and always helpful. And he's right. The picture is out of place on an article about the fighter. In fact, I can't think of any article it would be good for, unless you want to write one about fighter pilot uniforms. —Darth Culator (talk) 17:26, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

BomberEdit

Is the Y-wing's use of proton bombs in virtually all of the Star Wars video games canon? 69.201.196.66 22:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

  • In the games, IIRC you can load proton bombs on any fighter with warhead launchers. Even an A-wing. I haven't seen a case of Y-wings using any type of missile other than proton torpedos in other sources. 68.47.234.131 00:40, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
    • No, the games where you can change the warhead loads are the X-Wing series, and there are no Proton Bombs in that series because there are no planetary missions or gravity of any kind. You're thinking of Heavy Space Bombs. Proton Bombs are more prevalent in the Rogue Squadron and Battlefront series and to the best of my knowledge haven't been used by any Rebel craft other than the Y-Wing. Tony Knightcrawer 02:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Well, it is a bomber, so I suppose so. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:42, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
    • And I don't think it uses any other missiles, unless someone in the Rebel Alliance/New Republic/Galactic Alliance tried using something else. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:32, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Predecessor to the Y-WingEdit

What fighter/bomber came before the Y-Wing?

None it was the first one that the rebels had. Some designer who helped form the alliance gave the plans--Crash 20:30, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

CrewEdit

The Y-Wing usually has only one pilot so should the article say the co-pilot/gunner is only there in a variation of the ship? Besides where in the movies do you see a Y-Wing with more than one person in it?

  • Canon says that some Y-wings have one pilot and one co-pilot/gunner. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 19:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Yes, in some models or configurations, there's only one operator and the ion guns on top get fixed in a position, whereas with two people, they can move like a turret. (You see this more clearly in the old concept art, with a bubble cockpit for the secondary gunner) VT-16 16:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

The Golden DaysEdit

Everything I see on the Y wing always talks about it as old and outdated. However, the Star Wars universe expands over a great length of time... starting in the prequils, I presume, from long before it even existed. I love Y Wings. They're my favorite out of the series. And I've always wondered... if they're still useful even after they've become quite old and outdated... How powerful were they when they were the new kid on the block? I'd love to hear about what they were like compared to their competition in their own day. How did they come to be the standard? 24.23.231.54 23:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I don't believe that's ever been talked about in any source, but I believe they were in use by the Republic during the Clone Wars. I assume that that's when they were brand new. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 23:47, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
  • This is basically my own speculation, and from information drawn from secondary rather than primary sources, but from browsing the various fighters it looks to me that most of the contemporary fighters available to non-Imperial forces until the X-wing and R-22 only had slightly greater performances to the Y-wing, while the Y-wing was considerably tougher - presumably to the net advantage of the Y-wing. The exception is the Alpha/Delta/Eta series, which seems to be rarely used by the Alliance, either simply because they were unavailable or because they lacked hyperdrives (important for hit-and-run Rebel starfighter tactics). Net result is that the Y-wing isn't that much worse in performance to the Alliance's alternatives (especially in comparison to a TIE), and due to its armour and shields was more able to survive until it could bring its guns to bear on a TIE. Add that to the Y-wing's multirole capability and excellent hyperdrive and it's clearly better overall than any of the Alliance's alternatives prior to the X-Wing. The deathknell probably came not only from the introduction of the X-wing but that of more advanced TIEs (the "Line" TIE/ln as well as the Interceptor) that opened the performance gap to one larger than the Y-wing could compete against, relegating it to a bomber. Draxynnic 03:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Well, first off, the Y-wing became the standard for Rebels for a few reasons

1) It was one of the few fighters they could get their hands on and manufacture in large quantities. Sure, you could order a few dozen Z-95s way back at the beginning of the Rebellion, but the Imperials might notice that and start poking around(which is typically bad for Rebels). 2)It could go toe-to-toe against anything the Imperials had back then, which would have been TIE fighters, bombers, and possibly Eta-2s or V-wings. Even against TIE/ln and Interceptors, skilled Y-wing pilots can hold their own, despite what Michael Stackpole says in his X-wing books and comics. 3)Versatility. With a large payload, hyperdrive capability, and ion cannons, means the Y-wing can function as a true multirole strike craft. One mission can be raiding an Imperial task force then turning around and disabling cargo ships for capture. 4)Survivability. With heavy shields and armor, it gave the ships and its pilots a greater chance of returning to base to carry on the fight against the Empire.

NameEdit

So . . . What gives the Y-Wing its name? Double D 04:50, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Umm, the fact that, guns down, it looks like a "Y"? jSarek 04:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I thought thats what it was, but I just wanted to be sure, ty. Double D 11:07, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes that was odd since thats the same reason the x wing got its name but again no offense

Hey...Edit

Has anyone besides me noticed that y-wings are like a lighting rod of hate? They're not that bad. All the rebels care about is function. This is an OK bomber, it just never gets a chance to work.

AppearancesEdit

Why are the appearances which take place after ANH listed as before it? Things like Battlefront, the Marvel series, etc. are meant to happen afterwards -Milo FettComlink 01:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Uh, both those also appear after ANH. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 12:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Some of the Appearances sections in various articles are not listed in chronological order, as per the Star Wars timeline, but we're trying to correct that. In the case of the Marvel Star Wars series, there are at least two issues that deal with flashbacks or reminiscences set before the events in ANH.Tocneppil 19:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

errorunislyEdit

Come on, so they forgot to put starfighter at the end. That doesn't make it an error. It's a BTL A4 Y-Wing. Is that an error? NO! Not putting starfighter at the end does not make it an error.Lowbacca5 16:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

  • What are you referring to? And where? -Fnlayson 16:49, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
  • It's not the omission of "starfighter," it's the labeling of "BLT" instead of "BTL." I assume the writer/editor was hungry at the time. -- Darth Culator (Talk)(Kills) 16:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Oops. Sorry.Lowbacca5 17:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Cockpit Disconnect?Edit

The cockpit could be ejected by the pilot from the engines and the rest of the ship. This was used when the ship was on a surface. After the cockpit was disconnected, it could be driven on the surface.

What? Where did this come from? What does it mean driven? Does the cockpit have its own repulsorlift, like a landspeeder? Or does it have little wheels or something? That sounds very weird to me. Maclimes Zero (talk) 10px 18:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

  • From the Holiday Special, I believe. Luke's Y-wing detatches its cockpit in the Boba Fett cartoon - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 18:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Unfortunately, that explains alot. Okay then. Maclimes Zero (talk) 10px 19:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
      • And no repulsorlift or wheels, to my knowledge. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 21:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
        • On second thought, it probably had a repulsorlift, but I'm not sure. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 17:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
          • Landing gear, don't forget the landing gear.Tocneppil 22:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
            • Wasn't that only one piece of landing gear, though? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 22:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
              • Marvel Star Wars 49 has a shot of a Y-wing coming in for a landing that shows the undercarriage and wheeled landing gear in what is known as 'tricycle' configuration -that is, three sets of wheels (two on each side, one in the nose). Each set has two wheels each.Tocneppil 23:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
                • Well, Marvel Star Wars isn't exactly the greatest source of canon. Could you provide an image, though? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 23:19, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
                  • True its no Complete Cross-Sections, and no I can't provide an image (although its on page two of the comic and page 212 of Marvel Star Wars: A Long Time Ago . . . vol. 3 Resurrection of Evil), but at least it provides an answer to your debate over whether the Y-wing has wheels or repulsorlifts.Tocneppil 06:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
                    • Well, that could either mean it's been made non-canon by higher sources, or the landing gear on that Y-wing was changed by Rebel personnel. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 12:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
                      • Exactly what I was thinking. The danger of following that path of thought is where to draw the line in regards to who's capable of doing what. For all we know, it's Luke's skill as a mechanic that enables him to salvage his wrecked Y-wing and convert it to a speeder. By that logic we'd have to include a caveat in regards to modifications made by Rebels, perhaps making seperate entries for variants.Tocneppil 20:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
                        • Well, regardless, I think we should have separate articles for variants. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 21:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
                          • Um... didn't George Lucas completely and totally disavow the Holiday Special as non-canon? If the Y-Wing has ever been depicted with wheeled landing gear, it's only in cheesy comic books. Most modern ships in Star Wars do not require landing strips or runways, and instead use repulsors (which the Y-Wing is obviously equipped with given its ability to fly level in atmospheres without any airfoils). The game X-Wing (especially the original DOS diskette version) has multiple depictions of Y-Wing landing gear, and all of them have flat-surfaced bottoms. Even if a Y-Wing were to have landing gear like in an real-world aircraft, landing gear don't provide forward thrust - the engines do. Are there any canon depictions of a Y-Wing detaching its cockpit and "driving" on the ground on wheels as a stock function? Tony Knightcrawer 2:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
                            • Alsmost disowned the Holiday Special, yes. But it is still canon. Although they'd probably point to The Wookiee Storybook, which is based heavily on the special. -Fnlayson 00:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
                              • Well since it's not referenced anywhere els, it'd be S-canon. Is that like the same level as coloring books? Tony Knightcrawer 17:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
                                • It's still canon, so it really doesn't matter what level of canon it is. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 14:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
                                  • People probably got the idea from how the sleek cockpit clashes with the pipework-covered body. The reason for that is out-of-universe: The bodies for the models were bashed from kits and odds and ends(The sensor cones are panty-hose containers), whereas the cockpits were custom-done injection moldings. If anyone wants to know, I learned that in the Databank. ZeldaTheSwordsman 19:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Splitting up the article.Edit

Shouldn't the different varients of the BTL have different articles, like X-wing? JorrelWiki-shrinkable.pngFraajic 21:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Replacement?Edit

On a similar note (to the discussion about the Y-wing's "Golden Days" above), I find it interesting that the Y-wing doesn't really have a clear replacement in the New Republic era. The B-wing is both requiring of an elite pilot and even more maintenance, as well as being slower in both sublight and hyperspace (making it more suited to the assault role than the strike role) while the K-wing lacks hyperspace capability at all. The closest approximation seems to be the B-wing/E2 with a similar sublight speed to the Y-wing, but still requiring a good pilot and still with (as far as I know, anyway) an inferior Class 2 hyperdrive. Of course, this could represent the reduced importance of rapid travel through hyperspace as the focus shifted from hit-and-run raids to taking and holding ground... er, space... as the Alliance became the New Republic.

Another thing I find interesting is that there are mentions in the B-wing's article about upgraded Y-wings - while additional versions of the Y-wing aren't detailed in sources the way the X-wing is, could there have been a program of upgrades similar to that leading to the J-series X-wing that means the Y-wing in the Yuuzhon Vong war, while still not 'tip of the spear', weren't *quite* as obsolete as one would think for a fighter that was considered obsolete two decades ago?

Thoughts? Draxynnic 03:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

  • It's not impossible that a new series of Y-wing was produced in the New Republic or even New Jedi Order era. However, it's not been referenced in any source yet. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 15:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

QuotesEdit

Would the existing quotes or General Carlist Rieekan's quotes from Star Wars: Rogue Squadron be preferable for this artical? I think that Carlist Rieekan's quotes should be used because the X-wing and A-wing articals alreddy use them, and Uniformity in articals=good, and I feel as if the quotes are of the same quality --DX-2052 19:16, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

My modelEdit

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Can that be added in the article?--NFAN3 12:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

  • No, it's fan-made and we only accept images from official sources. Green Tentacle (Talk) 12:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Koensayr, the Y-wing, and the AllianceEdit

Is there anything in canon about the relationship between Koensayr Manufacturing and the Alliance? There was a vague remark in The Stele Chronicles or TIE Fighter: The Official Strategy Guide where an Imperial officer conjectured that Koensayr somehow influenced the Incom design team to defect to the Alliance with the X-wing plans/prototypes. I'm curious about this because as Koensayr was an important mainstream manufacturer, I'm not sure how they could have survived the wrath of the Empire if they provided Y-wings to the Alliance. Also since I don't think there has EVER been an instance of the Empire utilizing Y-wings (at least in canon sources), it seems possible/probable that Koensayr worked to keep the fighter out of Imperial hands in the years after the Clone Wars - the Imperial military otherwise probably would have used the craft (and perhaps they did). Is this perhaps similar to the Incom/X-wing situation in which only a small group supported the Alliance? Perhaps Koensayr's board of directors were sympathetic to the Rebellion? RushW 02:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Longprobe ImageEdit

Why do the engines look like they came from Star T__k? Aybfreak 17:03, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Proton Bombs in the Armaments CategoryEdit

Something I've noticed is that a lot of other fighters that have missile tubes that can be adapted to different armaments have those alternate armaments listed. Why not the proton bombs used in the Rogue Squadron games? I noticed there was a discussion about this earlier in the talk page, but nothing was said either way about whether or not the alternate standard armament configuration would be mentioned in the article itself. Dewback rancher 23:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Official site unveils Y-Wing predecessor for upcoming Clone Wars cartoon.Edit

thumb|right|200px|The original panelled Y-wing

http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/news/news20080403.html

So how's this going to be incorporated into the article?--Anguirus111 15:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

  • I already put it into the Behind the scenes section (last night, actually). Grand Moff Tranner 19:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
    • This looks like a retcon of what the Y-wing is supposed to look with all its panels attached.Tocneppil 19:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
      • Actually, I think it is an earlier model. That is far too great of a change from existing picture showing a panelled Y-wing to be a reasonable retcon. Of course, I suppose anything is possible... 9_9 JorrelWiki-shrinkable.pngFraajic 19:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
        • Yeah, it is too great a change -I mean I like it, but I think the image we already have should stay in continuity. The caption in the corner of the sketch says 'Fully Faired', though.Tocneppil 20:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
          • Like I said, though, I do think that that is a pre-evolution of the BTL Y-wing. As in, a starter model. In any case, it'd make sense... the Y-wing did come out at roughly that period in the timeline. Guess time'll tell, eh? JorrelWiki-shrinkable.pngFraajic 21:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
            • It could be a prototype, but it's likely a predecessor (similar to the ARC-170 to the X-wing, the Theta-class to the Lambda-class, the V-wing to the TIE Fighter, etc.) Grand Moff Tranner 23:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding an edit I just made.Edit

The BTS section or whatever had a bit saying the Y-Wing never fired it's lasers in ANH like the B-Wing never did in ROTJ. Now this might qualify as original research but I really enjoy the Battle of Endor and so I looked at it almost scene by secne and during the scene where Lando says 'we're sure in the middle of it now', a B-Wing does go across the screen in front of the Falcon's cockpit firing it's lasers. It's filmed at a really bizarre angle so it looks a little like an X-Wing(which I suspect was the only way to place it with the bluescreen to work), but it's definitely a B-Wing. I'm just posting this so even if the ultimate decision is to revert it back(and don't worry I'm not going to re-edit it and turn it into an edit war), I didn't make the edit just to be a vandal.--Anguirus111 03:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

  • You sure that's a B-wing? I wanted to believe it myself, but I went to go watch that little section and it looks a lot more like an X-wing than anything else. The ship following it is pretty distinctly a TIE Fighter though Lalala la 06:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

SourcingEdit

I do not know how to source the wiki..yet...but I know that where it says the thing about the particle cannons and repeating blasters replacing the ion and lasers, that is from Battlefront 2...sooo...yeah, someone could change that for me? Thank you.

  • I'm not quite sure what bit you mean so I suggest you take a look here, a short tutorial on how to source. - Kingpin13 17:24, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
    • I mean like change the little source thing to a number and add to the list of sources.
      • Nevermind, I figured out how to do sourcing, thanks anyway
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